[Individual-members-EL] Waiting for Comments

[Georges SOSSOIS]

Hi all,
Emile Zola, famous French writer had distinguished four different streams in the left
1° the social-democrat 2° the communist,3° the anarchist and 4° the cooperatist movements.
We see  them all in the World Social Forum. 
The problem is the minimal platform. 
That is why I was proposing the advantages for the citizens of the situation in West Europa before the fall of the Berlin Wall. 
This may not be obvious in th United Kingdom because they had already suffered a lot.  
We could, in the Euro-zone demand that the objectives of the European Central Bank
should be the same as the ones of the U.S Federal Reserve. The ECB has as the main objective
the fight against inflation. The Federal Reserve has also the duty to improve the economy.
Why not propose this in Europe ?
Is the independance of the Central Bank wishable ? Why would the BCE not be depend 
on the European Commission, after all ?
Our "socialists" have been capitulating in front of the ultra-liberal ideas. They have "liberalized"
or privatised.  After the Marrakesh round, the capitalists after liberaling the products wanted to "liberalize" the services. So the posts, railways, telecommunications, gaz, electricity followed.
Mc Creevy (the Euro Commissionner)  wants more. Much more......
They use words in a certain way to dress their ideas. "liberalize" makes me think of George Orwell's 1984 ( remember "free" only in the sense of free from !)


This goes beyond the limits of Europe. The radical Party has accepted parties outside Europe.
The task is less difficult for them because there are MEP's in Italy only. As in Italy  other UE citizens foreigners can be MEP,we have a Belgian MEP elected in Italy.(Radical Group)
Here the opening is less easy because Communists parties already existed. When structures are already at work it is less easy to create something new. That is why I am in favour of adding,on the European level a certain number of directly elected membres. We face the same problems all over the world. 
Last year I went to Japan and met during the esperanto congress an activist of Yokohama
whowas campaining against delocalisation of some Toyota sections to the Philipines.Her group demanded an improvment of the workers' conditions before doing that.Jobs become more precarious in Japan now. This goes against the tradition in Japan. Nevertheless it will take time to get a change of political attitude there. For the moment there are +/- 5 left wing Upper House members out of +/-150. (Proportional system in contrast with the Lower House which has the British System).
  
In the esperanto world,only national delegates were in the Central Committee. A few years ago, they
opened the possibility of being member of the CO to individual members. So we got people who were not necessarly influent in their country but enough on the international level.  So minority groups or categories got a chance of being defended in the CO. The results are excellent.

We should have that structure in the EL I think. In Belgium there are more and more citizens who demand a federal constituency : this would have the advantage to have MP's who defend the whole country and not just their part of the country.  There should be the same thing in the European Parliament too.We would have European personalities competing on the European level.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francis King" <francis at socialisthistorysociety.co.uk>
To: "Josè María Miotto" <josemiotto at gmail.com>
Cc: "Georges SOSSOIS" <george.sossois at compaqnet.be>; <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] Waiting for Comments


> Hi all
> 
> As I see it, many of the old divisions within the European left
> (reformist/revolutionary; communist/social-democrat; Marxist/non-Marxist
> etc. etc.) have long outlived their usefulness.
> 
> It seems to me that the main division these days is between, on the one
> hand, those who want to administer the existing order as the "left" wing
> of the ruling classes, and, on the other, those who want to contribute
> to the struggle against the ruling classes. This division largely
> coincides with the division between the "NATO-left" on the one hand and
> the peace-movement left on the other. The ELP, of course, should be
> firmly for peace and against the bosses.
> 
> The question is, how can we help gather together the different forces
> (leftists, communists and ex-communists, left-wing greens, the left of
> the labour and socialist movements etc.) who are on our side of this
> divide? How can we work together as effectively as possible? It seems
> clear to me that a doctrinaire party of the old Marxist-Leninist type,
> with a single "line" would be worse than useless. On the other hand, we
> have little experience in Europe of broad, non-sectarian, but
> consistently left-wing politics. Such a combination must surely be
> possible, if we can only find it...
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Francis
> 
> В Чтв, 14/02/2008 в 16:26 -0300, Josè María Miotto пишет:
>> Hi to all.
>> George: what is exactly the solution proposed by Italian radicals?
>> I'm Italian but I live in Argentina and I'm affiliated to a communist
>> party here. The analysis that the european parties do about their
>> situation is so different from LatinoAmerican that my position in
>> Italy would be fairly extremist (still Genova facts can show the
>> opposite) and in Argentina, Rifondazione's position would be so
>> social-democrat that would not be considered as a Communist party.
>> Maybe a world party is not possible but it is possible a global
>> coordination (like an international...).
>> Josè Marìa Miotto
>> 
>> Hola a todos.
>> George: cual es exactamente la solución de los radicales italianos?
>> Yo soy italiano pero vivo en Argentina y aqui estoy afiliado a un
>> partido comunista. El análisis que aquí realizan los partidos de
>> izquierda sobre la situación local es tan distinto al de los partidos
>> europeos, que mi posición en Italia sería muy extremista (aunque los
>> hechos de Genova podrian demostrar lo contrario) y aquí la posicion de
>> Rifondazione Comunista podría ser tomada como muy social.democrata.
>> Quizas un partido mundial no sea posible pero sí una coordinacion
>> global (una internacional...?)
>> Josè Marìa Miotto
>> 
>> Ciao a tutti.
>> George: cual'è esattamente la soluzione dei radicali italiani?
>> Io sono italiano ma vivo in Argentina e mi sono affiliato a un partito
>> comunista; l'analisi che qui fanno i diversi partiti di sinistra sulla
>> situazione locale sono cosí diversi a quelli europei che la mia
>> posizione in Italia sarebbe molto estremista (anche se ifatti di
>> Genova dimostrano il contrario) e la posizione di Rifondazione qui
>> potrebbe essere presa come socialdemocrata. Forse un partito mondiale
>> non é possibile ma sí una coordinazione globale (una internazionale?)
>> José María Miotto
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