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Mon Feb 11 08:51:56 CET 2008

Respected Dr. Peter,

  Thanks a lot for your reply. I really am grateful for you for your nice thoughts. At this stage after the break of the Soviet Union, numbers of Communist and Socialist activist from different countries got disappointment, especially in the third world without knowing the reason of collapse of Soviet Union. This is just because they are not living in an educated society, can not understand the world politics, and even did not try to find out the reasons. On other hand the western world including western Europe and the United States of America showing to whole world that the collapse of the Soviet Union is not only collapse of Soviet Union, this is actually collapse of Karl Marx theory, Collapse of Socialist system, collapse of the whole Socialist society.  

  I am really sorry to express my feelings, as you European belong to an educated and civilized society, and know the basic reasons of collapse of the Soviet Union,  you did not feel necessity to keep inform to other part of world communist specially third world to tell them about the reality through media or other sources. Even you all European communist are not doing any efforts to exchange the information. Resultant when you will start your unity with the Asian, African and other part of the world you have to do very hard struggle. You will need to teach them from beginning.

  We are living in fast communicating world, every thing could be communicate through internet. We need to teach every one the way of struggle, finding the way to get real democracy, but its need very honest people; those have the pain of Labor and working class. 

  Try to recall memory that time when Lenin in Soviet Union, Anatonio Garamchi in Italy worked very hard for their people and nation. They did not have fast communication, but they had working spirit, honesty, hardworking and without any scared they done a lot of steps.

  Capitalist Economist thinks, debate, arranges seminars, world meetings how to reduce the wage and facilities to working class, labor, and farmer, increase the taxes, duties, high rate of interest to poor countries through world bank and IMF, but being high educated communist, got doctorate degrees persons belong to communist community did try to consider arrange seminars, debate and meetings how to keep high standard of living for working class, how to pressurize to the Governments to give all benefits and shares in the profit. This is the time to find the formula how to pressurize to the government. The same formula which followed by western European government adopted in cold war to give some shares to their nations due to scared of soviet Union and Eastern Europe, they were scared, if they don’t give or participation to their nations, the nation will ask the same system which is follow by Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. To keeping secure from Socialist System they had
 providing all benefits and sharing into profits to their nations. After collapse of the Soviet Union they are reducing the facilities and benefits. Please Review and analysis the last 15 years times in Western European countries. 

  I hope you will get my point of view, my English is not so good, but I tried to communicate my message.

  Thanks and Kindest Regards,

  Syed Shakir Ali  

"Dr. Peter Troxler" <peter at klapt.net> wrote:
  Dear Syed  

  before I had time to react to your message the list has given you some reasons on why you might not get the attention from the list that you expect.

  I am sorry to see that.

  My own tardiness in replying has also to do with this issue.  What's left to us lefts is to conquer the world step by step -- so we start from our personal circles and develop our left activity further through local community, regions, nations, to "continents", to the world.  I am, to speak for myself only, at the stage of involving myself in the issues of the "continent"; that's the area I can oversee and bring a contribution to.

  No doubt, over some years, my perspective will be able to open and include other continents, and I will not forget to turn to Asia, thanks to your intervention here.

  Very best wishes and kind regards

  / Peter

  On 2-feb-2008, at 17:57, Syed Shakir Ali wrote:

  Dear Peter,

  Thanks for your mail. We are very much disappointed when you talk about only european people, Labour and other people. Dont think about only European People, think about whole whole of Labour, Karl Marx Gave us a Philosphy that all the world labour need to become one, there is no difference between  country and nation. 

  We need to be with each other very closely. We need to be defeat to the United States of Ameria, You all eruoprean are requested to get your unity with Asian Country, because USA are alivei due to Asian Countries.

  Thanks and Regards,

  Syed Shakir Ali

"Dr. Peter Troxler" <peter at klapt.net> wrote:
  Hello list

I just managed to joined the EL as individual member.

I won't have to explain that I'm attached to the left. My reason to 
join the EL is that the national parties while doing worthwhile stuff 
at local and regional level tend to totally miss the point when it 
comes to European issues and remain blinded by nationalism -- at 
least that's my experience from having grown up in Switzerland (where 
I used to be a member of the SP), having lived in Scotland (not 
joining the SSP), and staying now in the Netherlands (only shortly a 
member of the SP).

Hence I certainly do support the motion of having individual members 
represented on the EB.

While I'm feeling lucky to have got a response after one month of 
sending a fax to the EL (I remember no way of contacting the office 
electronically) ... in an earlier attempt, 2005ish, I got no answer 
at all ... I could imagine it would be good to ease that process if 
we're aiming to boost membership (I could actually give you a hand 
if needed).

Lastly, I hope to be able to connect to other individual members, 
maybe in the area, but certainly first through this list.

Best

/ Peter
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