[Individual-members-EL] changes to EL statute

[Josè María Miotto]

Almost forgot
the address is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ELmembers/

Jose Miotto

On 9/26/06, Josè María Miotto <josemiotto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi you all. I made a yahoo group in order to get a more organised
> discussion some days ago, I send you all a mail, but no one subscribed to
> it, maybe you didn't get the mail. Anyway, this group have no restriction to
> subscription, so all individual members interested in their representants
> can register to it, and you can very easily organise an anonymous votation.
> This polls can be used also the get other general information. And also the
> group have forums in which any person who wants to be elected can post his
> ideas, program, whatever. The easiness (is that the word for "being easy"?)
> and the security of the method is evident, and all the elction options are
> configurable to our needs (that we have to decide...). Anyway, if we choose
> this system, we would need to send a e-mail to all individual members to
> acknowledge them about it.
>
> best regards
>
> Jose Miotto
>
> On 9/25/06, joseph dureuil <upsetvoice at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Comrades,
> >
> > here are my comments and questions about the email voting and the
> > proposal
> > of changing statute
> >
> > For me, the justifications of our proposed motions are great and I am
> > sure
> > they could convince the congress members. Anyway, I think they could be
> > a
> > problem for them to trust unknow people, we should perhaps ask each
> > individual member to write a little presentation of her or himself
> > explaining how she or he came to the party and why (it could be made as
> > a
> > kind of petition of us individual members asking the right to be
> > represented
> > in the congress). It could be a way to be more "concrete" for these
> > people.
> > I would like to ask the others if they would agree with this idea.
> >
> >
> > Also, I read the idea about email elections. For me it should be the
> > better
> > way to get our representants. Actually, we don't know eachother but we
> > could
> > discuss and exchange ideas by mail without any problem of distrust in
> > complete transparence and honesty, so why not also vote by mails? Anyway
> >
> > some problems are staying for me:
> >
> > 1) Who would be the candidates? We need to know them and what they
> > propose
> > for voting for one or the other, in fact it is a question of
> > representation,
> > so the better we ll know the different proposals, the better the vote
> > will
> > be.
> >
> > 2) How will we choose the so-called trustees?
> >
> > 3) Then we will need to prepare very well the modalities of voting (how
> > long
> > will last the e-elections? How many days will they be open? etc...).
> >
> > 4) Also there is a last problem: everybody will need to get the complete
> > list of email adresses of people who have taken part to the vote, so
> > that we
> > should be sure that only individual members voted. At the same time the
> > vote
> > must stay secrete. Perhaps we could write already an email list of all
> > individual members of our group and ask everybody after having voted to
> > confirm by collective email to the others of the list that she or he has
> >
> > voted. On this way, everybody will be assured that the others have voted
> > (of
> > course without knowing for whom, which is a basic rule of democracy).
> > For
> > me, it will give more credibility to our vote and therefore
> > representation.
> >
> > ...To resume, everybody would have to write three emails:
> >
> > the first to be on the list of people who will take part to the vote.
> >
> > the second to vote (following your idea of trustees and the rules you
> > proposed plus the modalities we will have decided).
> >
> > The third, after having voted, would be a collective email to the other
> > voting people confirming that they have voted
> >
> > Then, if our email voting process is a success, we could ask the
> > chairman of
> > the party to declare to the press that it is a real success of
> > electronical
> > democracy, the first email voting of the first transnational european
> > party,
> > the first european left party... (or something like that) in order to
> > get
> > the left party to be known and perhaps to attract new individual members
> > asking for more social justice and democracy in European Union...
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Joseph Dureuil
> >
> >
> > >From: Ulrich Deike < udeike at web.de>
> > >To: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> > >Subject: [Individual-members-EL] changes to EL statute
> > >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:47:22 +0200
> > >
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >news from the EL secretary's office where I spoke to Helmut, EL
> > secretary,
> > >and Oliver about our 2 motions to the next EL-Congress.
> > >
> > >Despite their general support of the idea of giving individual members
> > more
> > >rights, they had some questions or doubts.
> > >
> > >1) First, how are we going to organise the delegation procedure for
> > >Congress delegates once we have the right to elect delegates? Could an
> > >electronic election work?, maybe like that:
> > >
> > >We name trustees from several countries who don't know each other
> > >personally. They will get access (password) to a special e-mail account
> > in
> > >order to count the votes for the candidates. All individual members
> > (who
> > >are not organised in any member party) have the right to vote by
> > sending an
> > >email indicating already in the reference the name of the candidate
> > they
> > >vote. This way the trustees will just have to check the list of
> > incoming
> > >mails for the number of votes for each candidate, check that only the
> > >authorised people send 1 mail. Finally the trustees will all publish at
> >
> > >about the same time the election results together with a list of the
> > email
> > >addresses of the people who sent a mail to the „election mailbox" in
> > order
> > >to avoid any trustee deleting an e-mail. This latter list, i.e. the
> > number
> > >of e-mails that have been cast into the „ballot", should be as high as
> > the
> > >sum of all votes. Do you think that would work?
> > >
> > >If not, please suggest other systems. If we have to meet physically
> > >somewhere this could be expensive and time-consuming for some of us.
> > >
> > >2) Please find attached some minor changes to the statute amendments
> > that
> > >could possibly raise our chances to get the support of the Executive
> > Board.
> > >The member parties have agreed to reach every decision in the EL by
> > >consensus, which makes things extremely complicated and slow. But we
> > should
> > >try to understand the concerns of some national parties about
> > competition
> > >between them and circles of individual members in their countries.
> > However,
> > >I still have hope.
> > >I also added some justification remarks since we are not present when
> > the
> > >ExB meets to discuss our suggestions.
> > >
> > >Any comments/requests/wishes? Then please be quick. I'm going to hand
> > in
> > >the second draft to Helmut by Friday, 29th.
> > >
> > >Take care and keep your fingers crossed for this project
> > >
> > >Uli
> > >
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> >
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