[Individual-members-EL] changes to EL statute

[Josè María Miotto]

Hi you all. I made a yahoo group in order to get a more organised discussion
some days ago, I send you all a mail, but no one subscribed to it, maybe you
didn't get the mail. Anyway, this group have no restriction to subscription,
so all individual members interested in their representants can register to
it, and you can very easily organise an anonymous votation. This polls can
be used also the get other general information. And also the group have
forums in which any person who wants to be elected can post his ideas,
program, whatever. The easiness (is that the word for "being easy"?) and the
security of the method is evident, and all the elction options are
configurable to our needs (that we have to decide...). Anyway, if we choose
this system, we would need to send a e-mail to all individual members to
acknowledge them about it.

best regards

Jose Miotto

On 9/25/06, joseph dureuil <upsetvoice at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Comrades,
>
> here are my comments and questions about the email voting and the proposal
> of changing statute
>
> For me, the justifications of our proposed motions are great and I am sure
> they could convince the congress members. Anyway, I think they could be a
> problem for them to trust unknow people, we should perhaps ask each
> individual member to write a little presentation of her or himself
> explaining how she or he came to the party and why (it could be made as a
> kind of petition of us individual members asking the right to be
> represented
> in the congress). It could be a way to be more "concrete" for these
> people.
> I would like to ask the others if they would agree with this idea.
>
>
> Also, I read the idea about email elections. For me it should be the
> better
> way to get our representants. Actually, we don't know eachother but we
> could
> discuss and exchange ideas by mail without any problem of distrust in
> complete transparence and honesty, so why not also vote by mails? Anyway
> some problems are staying for me:
>
> 1) Who would be the candidates? We need to know them and what they propose
> for voting for one or the other, in fact it is a question of
> representation,
> so the better we ll know the different proposals, the better the vote will
> be.
>
> 2) How will we choose the so-called trustees?
>
> 3) Then we will need to prepare very well the modalities of voting (how
> long
> will last the e-elections? How many days will they be open? etc...).
>
> 4) Also there is a last problem: everybody will need to get the complete
> list of email adresses of people who have taken part to the vote, so that
> we
> should be sure that only individual members voted. At the same time the
> vote
> must stay secrete. Perhaps we could write already an email list of all
> individual members of our group and ask everybody after having voted to
> confirm by collective email to the others of the list that she or he has
> voted. On this way, everybody will be assured that the others have voted
> (of
> course without knowing for whom, which is a basic rule of democracy). For
> me, it will give more credibility to our vote and therefore
> representation.
>
> ...To resume, everybody would have to write three emails:
>
> the first to be on the list of people who will take part to the vote.
>
> the second to vote (following your idea of trustees and the rules you
> proposed plus the modalities we will have decided).
>
> The third, after having voted, would be a collective email to the other
> voting people confirming that they have voted
>
> Then, if our email voting process is a success, we could ask the chairman
> of
> the party to declare to the press that it is a real success of
> electronical
> democracy, the first email voting of the first transnational european
> party,
> the first european left party... (or something like that) in order to get
> the left party to be known and perhaps to attract new individual members
> asking for more social justice and democracy in European Union...
>
> best regards,
>
> Joseph Dureuil
>
>
> >From: Ulrich Deike <udeike at web.de>
> >To: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> >Subject: [Individual-members-EL] changes to EL statute
> >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:47:22 +0200
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >news from the EL secretary's office where I spoke to Helmut, EL
> secretary,
> >and Oliver about our 2 motions to the next EL-Congress.
> >
> >Despite their general support of the idea of giving individual members
> more
> >rights, they had some questions or doubts.
> >
> >1) First, how are we going to organise the delegation procedure for
> >Congress delegates once we have the right to elect delegates? Could an
> >electronic election work?, maybe like that:
> >
> >We name trustees from several countries who don't know each other
> >personally. They will get access (password) to a special e-mail account
> in
> >order to count the votes for the candidates. All individual members (who
> >are not organised in any member party) have the right to vote by sending
> an
> >email indicating already in the reference the name of the candidate they
> >vote. This way the trustees will just have to check the list of incoming
> >mails for the number of votes for each candidate, check that only the
> >authorised people send 1 mail. Finally the trustees will all publish at
> >about the same time the election results together with a list of the
> email
> >addresses of the people who sent a mail to the „election mailbox" in
> order
> >to avoid any trustee deleting an e-mail. This latter list, i.e. the
> number
> >of e-mails that have been cast into the „ballot", should be as high as
> the
> >sum of all votes. Do you think that would work?
> >
> >If not, please suggest other systems. If we have to meet physically
> >somewhere this could be expensive and time-consuming for some of us.
> >
> >2) Please find attached some minor changes to the statute amendments that
> >could possibly raise our chances to get the support of the Executive
> Board.
> >The member parties have agreed to reach every decision in the EL by
> >consensus, which makes things extremely complicated and slow. But we
> should
> >try to understand the concerns of some national parties about competition
> >between them and circles of individual members in their countries.
> However,
> >I still have hope.
> >I also added some justification remarks since we are not present when the
> >ExB meets to discuss our suggestions.
> >
> >Any comments/requests/wishes? Then please be quick. I'm going to hand in
> >the second draft to Helmut by Friday, 29th.
> >
> >Take care and keep your fingers crossed for this project
> >
> >Uli
> >
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