[ISP] [TLS] NSA / IETF Discussion List

[Ken Kubota]

Hi Rob,

This response misses the broader issue. As Professor Bernstein noted during the SSH WG discussions, current practices by WG Chairs are undermining active participation within the Working Group, specifically highlighting the points outlined as "2. Chairs sabotaging participation" and "3. Chairs sabotaging resolution of technical disputes" [1].
This observation has been confirmed through my personal experience in both the TLS and SSH Working Groups.

Kind regards,

Ken Kubota

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Ken Kubota
https://doi.org/10.4444/100


[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ssh/KwzbhHP-6cK4VSWT04mNv_cWyFI/



> Am 15.10.2026 um 12:57 schrieb Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=40cisco.com at dmarc.ietf.org>:
> 
> Hi Waqas,
> 
> I don't follow SEAT, and don't know this document or discussion, but I do understand the IETF process rules pretty well.
> 
> At that first data tracker link you provided you will see:
> 
> "This document is an Internet-Draft (I-D). Anyone may submit an I-D to the IETF. This I-D is not endorsed by the IETF and has no formal standing in the IETF standards process <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc2026/>."
> 
> Unless the SEAT WG has adopted the document (and hence the name of the draft changes to draft-ietf-seat-early-attestation, then this is NOT an IETF document and hence it is incorrect to say that the SEAT WG is "working on it".  The only status that this draft has is that it is an idea from a set of authors which they would like the SEAT WG to consider.  Anyone can submit a draft for consideration by the WG.  Perhaps the authors will consider your patch, perhaps they won't.  It is up to them since they are currently solely responsible for the document, not the SEAT WG, nor the IETF.
> 
> Also worth seeing https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wkumari-not-a-draft/.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Rob
> 
> 
> From: waqas.nawaz at vision4d.ai <waqas.nawaz at vision4d.ai>
> Date: Thursday, 15 October 2026 at 11:11
> To: ietf at kenkubota.de <ietf at kenkubota.de>
> Cc: ietf at ietf.org <ietf at ietf.org>; tls at ietf.org <tls at ietf.org>; ietf-discussion at listi.jpberlin.de <ietf-discussion at listi.jpberlin.de>
> Subject: Re: [TLS] NSA / IETF Discussion List
> 
> Dear Ken Kubota,
> IETF has SEAT working group. It works on TLS 1.3 extension. SEAT has https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fossati-seat-early-attestation/.
> 41 high class CVEs were filed against it: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-intra-handshake-fail/
> They also provided patch to fix. The patch was never applied.
> Anyone who talks about CVEs is given "official warning" by chairs.
> Is it in scope of your mailing list https://listi.jpberlin.de/mailman/listinfo/ietf-discussion?
> Thanks,
> Waqas
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 12:14 PM Ken Kubota <ietf at kenkubota.de> wrote:
> For those who disagree with NSA activities at the IETF or wish to find solutions for the issues concerning the current IETF situation, you can join this mailing list:
> 
> https://listi.jpberlin.de/mailman/listinfo/ietf-discussion
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ken Kubota
> 
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