[Individual-members-EL] hello

[sigfrido ramirez]

Hi all, 

First of all I would like to contain the excessive reaction of Uli. Being in Brussels I can guarantee you that the EL office does what it can with the few people working there in so many different things. So, they could have forgotten to attend a request for affiliation, which is an error. But from there to " about the continuous obstacle to individual membership that the Brussels office seems to constitute" it is more than unfair, false. In any case, Uli has not authorisation, at least from the individual members in Brussels, to take any stand on our behalf in any meeting with Helmut Scholtz. It seems obvious that if somebody has to complain is the affected member.

About the publication, in Brussels we have thought about doing anything of this kind for our past activities. The last activity we had was a debate about the EL Congress with the Belgian delegates in a Social Center and before a quite successful debate about the Lisbon Treaty. 

However, for exchanging info and being really useful I think that we will need more a kind of intranet between individual members, (something like Drupal's softwares). 

The bureau aimed to create a newsletter but things are going slowly because the problem, from my viewpoint, is that parties want the EL to take resources out of it but does not inject much of their time, action or energy on it. They need to pass from the idea that the EL is out there to the principle that they have to encourage national members of their parties to contribute to the EL. But from the part of Izquierda Unida I can tell you that the EL is barely known, not to say boycotted from the current contested leadership which aimed at a point to join the European greens.

Best
Sigfrido


-----Mensaje original-----
De: individual-members-el-bounces at listi.jpberlin.de [mailto:individual-members-el-bounces at listi.jpberlin.de] En nombre de Francis King
Enviado el: martes, 05 de febrero de 2008 16:45
Para: Ulrich Deike
CC: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
Asunto: Re: [Individual-members-EL] hello

Hi all

We seem to be getting a few more individual members around the place,
which is good. We all come from different political backgrounds and
cultures, and presumably have different perspectives and reasons for
being in the ELP. I wonder whether there may be any basis for an ELP
discussion publication, in which individual ELP members, members of
affiliated parties and others could share practical experiences,
theoretical ideas, debates and so on, and discuss them. The sort of
thing I have in mind could be produced as a printable, collatable PDF
file and put on a website in the first instance.

What do others think? And would such an initiative meet any political
resistance?

Cheers

Francis

В Втр, 05/02/2008 в 16:25 +0100, Ulrich Deike пишет:
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "Ulrich Deike" <udeike at web.de>
> > Gesendet: 05.02.08 16:24:55
> > An: "selvåg" <kollung at online.no>
> > Betreff: Re: [Individual-members-EL] hello
> 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > it's cool to here some news from members in Norway and the NEtherlands. I think we, as the branch
> > of individual members, could become much bigger in those regions of Europe too. And would love to read
> > regional EL news in this list more often. I'm sure many of you will be grateful for 5-sentence-bits such
> > as the one from Gudmund from Bergen.
> > 
> > Peter, what are your
> > ideas how to attract new members? I would really like to discuss some of them in this list. 
> > On March 8 I'll probably see Helmut Scholz and also talk to him about the continuous obstacle to individual
> > membership that the Brussels office seems to constitute. I would just like to hear from him whether they are 
> > overloaded with work or just incapable and what the EL ExBoard can do about this.
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > 
> > Uli
> > 
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: "selvåg" <kollung at online.no>
> > > Gesendet: 31.01.08 10:41:22
> > > An: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
> > > Betreff: [Individual-members-EL] hello
> > 
> > 
> > > welcome in the struggle for an european and internationalist left movement, here in Norway all left parties are nationalist and dont see we have common interest.
> > > 
> > > congratulations to the left(linke) in germany with great results in the two latest elections.
> > > 
> > > gudmund kollung selvaag, bergen,norway
> > > 
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