[Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute

[Mike Nagler]

Hi Francis, hi Uli, hi everybody,

i am also fine with Ulis suggestions but i also think that change in article 6 (2) is not a good option. We have already people in the EL which are members of national parties which are not memberparties of the EL. (like in my case WASG is at the moment not a member) In that point i agree with Francis. 
Your question why people join the EL from my view: 
So i think the EL one day has to become a party of whole europe.(at the moment i think its not more than an umbrella organization of the national parties) This sure implements that there are also changes in the structures of the EU. I also want to have 1 state europe.. a europe with 1 tax system, 1 social system, 1 minimum wage, same living standards and so on..
And i think that idea to build something new on european level can become very attractive for many young people which are dissapointed from politics and from there right to say. (In germany for example we have a poor polling every year, especially young people dont vote because they are disapointed of politics and many of them  know that in the globalized world the political clearance in our structures on local or national level is very limited.) I think this people which are not member in the national parties but member in the EL identificate with europe. So from my standpoint it is very important to become many individual members in the EL. Otherwise we will not be able to start that discussion of becoming 1 european party because there are also in the left old views and concentration on theyre own national level. If we are some thousands of individuals in europe the question of the future and understanding of the EL must be aked.

Best wishes
Mike






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Datum: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:04:18 +0100
Von: "Francis King" <francis at socialisthistorysociety.co.uk>
An: "Ulrich Deike" <udeike at web.de>, individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
Betreff: Re: [Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute

> Hi all
> 
> Uli is quiet right that if EL intends to make individual membership a
> permanent part of the EL structure, then there needs to be representation
> for individual members at EL congresses and on relevant committees.
> However,
> I think that the first suggested amendment, to article 6/2, is
> unnecessary.
> The existing article 6/2 grants more rights to individual members than the
> amended version proposed by Uli, and I doubt that it would be workable
> anyway - there are so many small left-wing groups af all types in all the
> EU
> states. They fuse and split all the time. Some are much to small to
> consider
> affiliating to EL. So, as long as individual EL members are not working
> against the interests and positions of EL, their local affiliations should
> not matter.
> 
> I don't have any problem with the other suggestions, which seem fine. But
> I
> wonder - why do people want to become EL individual members? For me in
> Britain, the answer is easy - the "communist parties" here are tiny,
> insular, dogmatic and backward-looking, the Labour Party allows itself to
> be
> led by Blair and is therefore beneath contempt, and the most active groups
> on the left here are Trotskyists - dogmatic, sectarian and intolerant of
> dissent. There is nothing worth joining in this country. But in countries
> with EL affiliates, are individual people joining EL in addition to
> belonging to the PCF, PRC, PDS etc., or are they joining it instead of
> belonging to those parties? It would be interesting to know.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Francis King
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ulrich Deike" <udeike at web.de>
> To: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:55 PM
> Subject: [Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute
> 
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> as you know we also have to fight for our own rights if we want to help
> others. I have attached my suggestion
> for changes to the EL-statute guaranteeing representation of all - also
> individual - members in the Congress
> (on the penultimate page of the document). I'm waiting for comments/other
> suggestions. I think it's necessary to discuss this
> first so that most of us indiv. members eventually support the version
> that
> we'll pass on to the Executive Board
> by the end of September. I'd be grateful if anyone had up-to-date figures
> of
> party members to give us an idea of the
> composition of the upcoming Congress.
> 
> take care
> 
> Uli
> 
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