<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Dear Stephen, dear all<br></span></div><div><span>After entering in this email (After a very long time, as i am not using this email anymore) i realised that i have access to the list. <br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I would like to ask the administrator of the list, to send me an email please to giorgos.karatsioubanis@european-left.org as i would like to check with him/her several issues.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>On the other point Stephen,</span><span> and as you mentioned that, i have to reply to your sentence : Synaspismos has nothing against individual members.</span></div>
<div><span>on my personal opinion : one thing is my personal opinion, and another thing my tasks as member of the EL Office. In this direction, there is no distinction of people supporting, and others that are against individual members the EL Office.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>In any case, the purpose of this email is not to open a new round of exchanges (i think you know where to find me, and i am ready to help in forwarding the different requests). <br></span></div><div><span>From email exchanges with Maite Mola and Waltraud i think you are aware that there will be a meeting where your point will be raised.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I return to my initial reason of sending this email : i would like to ask the administrator to get in touch with me.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Many thanks and greetings from Brussels,</span></div><div><span>Giorgos
Karatsioubanis<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>(please do not reply to this email, but the EL one)<br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div>Giorgos Karatsioubanis<br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Απο:</span></b> Stephen Spence <stephen_spence@btinternet.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Προς:</span></b> 'Indiv. Members EL' <individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Στάλθηκε:</span></b> 9:42 μ.μ. Τετάρτη, 28 Δεκεμβρίου 2011<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Θεμα:</span></b> Re: [Individual-members-EL] letter to all EL parties regardingindividual members<br> </font>
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<div class="yiv1224612585MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">So no reply from Pierre Laurant. So
far, so predictable. The French Communist Party does not support
individual membership developing. I had a number of conversations with them.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv1224612585MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I’m afraid neither does Giorgios nor
his party Synpaspismos. I spoke to him at the 3<sup>rd</sup> Congress in
Paris and confirmed his
opposition, which before I had simply suspected.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv1224612585MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv1224612585MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Martin Heberg supported us amongst the
staff, as did his party Die Linke. Helmut Schulz just never achieved a
result although he spoke up for us.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv1224612585MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Let us see what happens, but I suspect nothing.
I have not paid my subscription since 30<sup>th</sup> June 2011 and I was not
able to get to either of the trade union network meetings this year. The
European Left Party I’m afraid to say is irrelevant to events in
Britain .
When there was a hope it might develop there was a point being engaged, but if
this latest attempt fails, I don’t see much point in continuing as they
say here to ‘flog a dead horse’.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv1224612585MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Best</span></font></div>
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individual-members-el-bounces@listi.jpberlin.de
[mailto:individual-members-el-bounces@listi.jpberlin.de] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Norbert Hagemann<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 25 December 2011 21:05<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> giorgos.karatsioubanis@european-left.org<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Individual-members-EL]
letter to all EL parties regardingindividual members</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<div><span class="yiv1224612585hps"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Dear</span></font></span><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">Giorgios</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">Karatsioubanis</span>,<br>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">enclosed I send you</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">a letter which</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">was signed by</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">eight</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">individual</span> EL <span class="yiv1224612585hps">members</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">from
different</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">countries.</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">The</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">letter</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">deals with the</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">problem
of the</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">rights</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">of</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">individual</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">members</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">apart
and was sent</span> by us <span class="yiv1224612585hps">to Pierre</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">Laurant before the</span> last <span class="yiv1224612585hps">EL</span> EX-B<span class="yiv1224612585hps">oard meeting</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">in early October</span>. <span class="yiv1224612585hps">To date,</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">neither</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">a
reply nor</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">a confirmation of receipt</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">is</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">received</span>.<br>
<br>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">Since you</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">as "employee" of</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">EL</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">are</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">also
responsible</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">for</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">us, the
individual members</span>, <span class="yiv1224612585hps">we</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">want to</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">ask you officially to give</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">this letter</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">to all</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">member and observer</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">parties of the</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">EL</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">at
the latest till the next Board meeting in January in
Berlin .</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">We hope</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">that this</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">letter</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">will
be formaly put on the agenda and discussed during this meeting. </span><br>
<br>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">At the same time</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">we</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">want to</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">ask</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">you,</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">to</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">communicate</span> to all parties <span class="yiv1224612585hps">our request</span>, <span class="yiv1224612585hps">that in</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">the</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">upcoming</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">budget of the EL for the</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">year 2012</span> we would like to have introduced <span class="yiv1224612585hps">a</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">reasonable</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">amount of
money for an</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">European meeting of</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">individual</span>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">members</span> <span class="yiv1224612585hps">to be organized next
year with the aim to discuss and organize our work within the
EL. The existing working structures for cooperation of the trade unionists or
the EL-FEM</span><span class="yiv1224612585atn">-</span>structures <span class="yiv1224612585hps">are well
established examples how we would like to go ahead in the future.</span><br>
<br>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">Thanks for your support. Please be so kind and keep</span> us
informed about your activities regarding this letter.<br>
<br>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">Sincerely</span><br>
<br>
<span class="yiv1224612585hps">Norbert</span></span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"></span></font></div>
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