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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Francis is right but I think it’s even
worse than he has outlined. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Having talked directly to, amongst others,
Helmut Scholz, MEP For Die Linke and former Head of their International
department in his office in Berlin, and Jean Francoise Gau, International chief
of the Parti Communist Francaise in his office in Paris along with a number of
other Executive Board members over a number of years I believe it’s not that
individual membership is considered a failure because they didn’t know what to
do with it, I’m afraid its because too many national parties actively did not
want individual membership to exist at all. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Die Linke got it in the EL constitution
and supported it being moved on from its original ‘experimental’ stage, but by
not giving any status or organisational structure within the party others made
sure it could not advance. Even Helmut Schulz gave up after a while. I was
depending on him to get a ‘friendship circle’ of UK individual members accepted
by the Executive Board and he did not deliver despite assurances given at the 2<sup>nd</sup>
Congress in Prague where a number of us including Mike thought about running a
candidate for the Executive Board and backed off because Helmut thought there
was a better, more long term way. He was worried about us alienating the
national parties at that time. I can hear Uli from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> now, who is no longer
active because of this, saying we should continue because nothing would be
delivered. He was right and I was wrong, but at the time it seemed correct to
be reasonable. It got us no-where. Only in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Italy</st1:place></st1:country-region> did individual members get
‘observor’ status, because the Italian parties agreed to it, but it has not led
to other sections.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The argument has been if ‘we’ want to do
something ‘we’ should organise it rather than expect ‘them’ to but when ‘we’
did organise a little network in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>, ‘they’ ignored it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mike is also right but I don’t believe the
National Parties will change and allow it. At the Founding Congress in Rome I
was refused permission to speak, I couldn’t get to Athens for the 1<sup>st</sup>
Congress, in Prague for the 2<sup>nd </sup> I was allowed to speak because
Helmut Scholz authorised it, in Paris for the 3<sup>rd</sup> I was first of all
told no, then told yes, and was eventually allowed to as almost the last act in
the Congress.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am simply an individual citizen but I
have been active on the left for 30 years, I have held senior trade union
positions, I have been an elected representative at the City Council level. EL
has not for some time been interested in encouraging me, or indeed any of us,
to participate in the Party. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think the letter will work. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m sorry but I think that is the truth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stephen <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
individual-members-el-bounces@listi.jpberlin.de
[mailto:individual-members-el-bounces@listi.jpberlin.de] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Nagler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 05 October 2011 13:48<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Indiv.
Members EL</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Individual-members-EL] individual membership</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Dear francis, der all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>but this is not what it should to continue... We dont need lots of left
national parties that only work together on a bureaucratic level. Its not a
good idea to give up the idea of a united european left, because its needed. We
should work on it, even if the national party elites dont see the need.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Mike</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:francis@socialisthistorysociety.co.uk"
title="francis@socialisthistorysociety.co.uk">francis@socialisthistorysociety.co.uk</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de"
title="individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de">Indiv. Members EL</a> ; <a
href="mailto:brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr"
title="brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr">brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, October
05, 2011 12:08 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
[Individual-members-EL] individual membership<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello all <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The impression I get is that 1. ELP decided to
introduce individual membership as a kind of experiment. 2. ELP never quite worked
out why it wanted or needed individual members or what it intended to do with
them. 3. The experiment is considered by ELP's higher councils to have been a
failure, but 4. Nobody has bothered to tell the individual members. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That is why nobody has asked for subscription
renewals. If the individual members all go away, then the problem is solved,
and ELP can return to its role as an occasional flag of convenience for sundry
European communist and left parties. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>All the best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Francis King, individual member 2008-2009 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
On 05 October 2011 at 06:02 "Brunislav Matasović"
<brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr> wrote: <br>
<br>
> Dear all! <br>
> <br>
> I would also like to support the initiative of individual members to <br>
> become more involved in the work of EL. It would most certainly be the <br>
> best if we try from the bottom and not from the top, as Mike already <br>
> said. If there is a possibility inside the EL for us to get some support <br>
> from the national member parties on this issue, it would be even better. <br>
> Unfortunately, there is no political party in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Croatia</st1:place></st1:country-region> which is the <br>
> member of EL so I cannot ask anyone here for support. Even more, <br>
> considering the present situation, very soon it would become dangerous <br>
> to be true leftist - I believe that is the common issue in almost all <br>
> eastern European countries - it is especially dangerous when the threats <br>
> come from the minister of interior as in our case. <br>
> <br>
> Nevertheless, that is not an issue now, and for what is an issue (status <br>
> of individual members), my support is here. <br>
> <br>
> About the membership fee. I have been told that there is no obligatory <br>
> membership fee for individual members but that 2 €/month will be <br>
> consider usual contribution. So I believe that simple avoidance of <br>
> membership fee will not exclude anyone from the party membership. <br>
> <br>
> Best regards, <br>
> Brunislav Matasovic <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Dana 4.10.2011. 11:11, Mike Nagler napisa: <br>
> > Dear Stefano, dear all, <br>
> > i think for the moment its the best to get in contact about it with <br>
> > the directive/board. In case there is no reaction or no will - we <br>
> > should go a step further and make something like an open letter
inside <br>
> > the membership of all parties to set our point on their agenda. (But <br>
> > for that i would write it in another style than this one.) <br>
> > Best, <br>
> > Mike <br>
> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> > <br>
> > *From:* rainbowleft@libero.it
<mailto:rainbowleft@libero.it> <br>
> > *To:* individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de <br>
> > <mailto:individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de>
<br>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:28 AM <br>
> > *Subject:* [Individual-members-EL] R: Re: 1.may <br>
> > <br>
> > Dear all, <br>
> > <br>
> > I'd like to sign the letter as well. It reminds
more or less the <br>
> > petition that we tried to circulate at the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Paris</st1:place></st1:City> summer University <br>
> > of the EL. <br>
> > <br>
> > I have been an invidual member for years. I keep
my membership <br>
> > card in the wallet altough I haven't paid any fees
in a while but <br>
> > it was not really a choice, simply the activities
were practically <br>
> > non-existent. Last meeting we had was probably
more than one year <br>
> > ago to discuss the letter for the Congress. After
we have a <br>
> > definitive version what kind of distribution were
you thinking <br>
> > about? Would you spread it around among likely
supporters or keep <br>
> > it ibetween us and the directive? <br>
> > <br>
> > By the way, have a look to what other left-wing
european parties <br>
> > are doing maybe they have a couple of recyclable
ideas. <br>
> > <br>
> > European Activists of the Socialists <br>
> > http://www.pes.org/en/pes-activists <br>
> > Individual supporters network of the Greens <br>
> > http://www.greenyourope.eu/ <br>
> > <br>
> > A note for the revision: I think that in English
the title of <br>
> > Pierre Laurent is "President" more than
"Chairman" of the EL. <br>
> > <br>
> >
http://www.european-left.org/english/home/news_archive/news_archive/zurueck/news-archive/artikel/message-of-el-president-pierre-laurent-the-spanish-movement-is-a-great-hope-1/
<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Thank for the effort. <br>
> > <br>
> > Stefano Panozzo <br>
> > <br>
> > ----Messaggio originale---- <br>
> > Da: norberthagemann@web.de <br>
> > Data: 03/10/2011 18.26 <br>
> > A: "Indiv. Members <br>
> > EL"<individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de>,
"asbjørn <br>
> >
andersen"<asander@online.no>,
<arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com>, <br>
> > <EPirelli@t-online.de>,
<laurarey@online.no> <br>
> > Ogg: Re: [Individual-members-EL]
1.may <br>
> > <br>
> > Dear Mike, dear Stephen, dear Luke,
dear Individuals :-) <br>
> > attached you can find the letter to
Laurant translated by me <br>
> > into English. I think Stephen and /
or you Luke you should <br>
> > please be so kind and check and
correct this translation <br>
> > otherwise Laurant will get a worst
translation into frensh and <br>
> > please let's avoid a situation that
he can not understand due <br>
> > to language reasons. <br>
> > Afterwards the question is, who
finally will sign, I saw a <br>
> > feedback only from Mike, Stephen and
Luke or ... ? <br>
> > Let's try to have it ready till
Thursday and then to <br>
> > distribute the letter via the EL
office in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Brussels</st1:place></st1:City>
(as a Mail <br>
> > or a letter ...?) <br>
> > <br>
> > kind regards <br>
> > <br>
> > Norbert <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------ <br>
> > *Von:* "Norbert
Hagemann" <norberthagemann@web.de> <br>
> > *Gesendet:*
24-Sep-2011 19:03:51 <br>
> > *An:* "<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Indiv. Members EL</st1:PersonName>" <br>
> >
<individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de>, "asbjørn <br>
> > andersen"
<asander@online.no>, arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com, <br>
> > EPirelli@t-online.de,
laurarey@online.no <br>
> > *Betreff:* Re:
[Individual-members-EL] 1.may <br>
> > <br>
> > Dear all, <br>
> > I'm using this mail to
go in contact with you. Hopefully <br>
> > this will work. <br>
> > I would like to ask
you all to give me a feedback on the <br>
> > following idea. <br>
> > <br>
> > Next days there will
be a meeting of the Ex-Board (?) in <br>
> > <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Paris</st1:place></st1:City>. This meeting will take place roughly 9
months after <br>
> > the Paris Party
Congress. Since this congress the board <br>
> > had a lot of meetings
around the globe during which never <br>
> > ever was the discussed
the issue of our rights, the rights <br>
> > as Individual members
in the Party. So finally (after <br>
> > being for years –
since <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Athens</st1:place></st1:City> -
a member without any <br>
> > rights) I would ask
you to send a letter from our side to <br>
> > the Board meeting
asking to find urgently a solution and <br>
> > to involve us in this
process / decision how the solutions <br>
> > should looks like. I
personally stopped 9 months ago to <br>
> > pay my Party
contribution (no rights - no obligations) but <br>
> > nobody is caring about
that. <br>
> > Would someone be interested
to write together with me this <br>
> > letter and to sign it.
<br>
> > <br>
> > Kind regards <br>
> > <br>
> > Norbert <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> >
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> > *Von:*
selvåg <kollung@online.no> <br>
> >
*Gesendet:* 01.05.2011 11:49:02 <br>
> > *An:*
"asbjørn andersen" <asander@online.no>, <br>
> >
arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com, EPirelli@t-online.de, <br>
> >
laurarey@online.no, <br>
> >
individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de <br>
> >
*Betreff:* [Individual-members-EL] 1.may <br>
> > <br>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
red_flag*_workers of the world unite._* <br>
> > *_1.may
2011._* <br>
> >
*_kollung selvåg_* <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> >
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> >
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> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > _______________________________________________ <br>
> > Individual-members-EL Mailingliste <br>
> > JPBerlin - Politischer Provider <br>
> > Individual-members-EL@listi.jpberlin.de <br>
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