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<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear francis, der all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>but this is not what it should to continue... We dont need
lots of left national parties that only work together on a bureaucratic level.
Its not a good idea to give up the idea of a united european left, because its
needed. We should work on it, even if the national party elites dont see the
need.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=francis@socialisthistorysociety.co.uk
href="mailto:francis@socialisthistorysociety.co.uk">francis@socialisthistorysociety.co.uk</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de
href="mailto:individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de">Indiv. Members EL</A> ;
<A title=brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr
href="mailto:brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr">brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Individual-members-EL]
individual membership</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN><SPAN>Hello all</SPAN> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN><SPAN>The impression I get is that 1. ELP decided
to introduce individual membership as a kind of experiment. 2. ELP never quite
worked out why it wanted or needed individual members or what it intended to
do with them. 3. The experiment is considered by ELP's higher councils to have
been a failure, but 4. Nobody has bothered to tell the individual
members.</SPAN> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN><SPAN>That is why nobody has asked for
subscription renewals. If the individual members all go away, then the problem
is solved, and ELP can return to its role as an occasional flag of convenience
for sundry European communist and left parties.</SPAN> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN><SPAN>All the best</SPAN> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN><SPAN>Francis King, individual member
2008-2009</SPAN> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"></P>
<P> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 5px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: monospace"><BR>On 05 October 2011 at
06:02 "Brunislav Matasović" <brunislav.matasovic@chem.pmf.hr> wrote:
<BR><BR>> Dear all! <BR>> <BR>> I would also like to support the
initiative of individual members to <BR>> become more involved in the work
of EL. It would most certainly be the <BR>> best if we try from the bottom
and not from the top, as Mike already <BR>> said. If there is a possibility
inside the EL for us to get some support <BR>> from the national member
parties on this issue, it would be even better. <BR>> Unfortunately, there
is no political party in Croatia which is the <BR>> member of EL so I
cannot ask anyone here for support. Even more, <BR>> considering the
present situation, very soon it would become dangerous <BR>> to be true
leftist - I believe that is the common issue in almost all <BR>> eastern
European countries - it is especially dangerous when the threats <BR>> come
from the minister of interior as in our case. <BR>> <BR>> Nevertheless,
that is not an issue now, and for what is an issue (status <BR>> of
individual members), my support is here. <BR>> <BR>> About the
membership fee. I have been told that there is no obligatory <BR>>
membership fee for individual members but that 2 €/month will be <BR>>
consider usual contribution. So I believe that simple avoidance of <BR>>
membership fee will not exclude anyone from the party membership. <BR>>
<BR>> Best regards, <BR>> Brunislav Matasovic <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Dana 4.10.2011. 11:11, Mike Nagler napisa: <BR>> > Dear
Stefano, dear all, <BR>> > i think for the moment its the best to get in
contact about it with <BR>> > the directive/board. In case there is no
reaction or no will - we <BR>> > should go a step further and make
something like an open letter inside <BR>> > the membership of all
parties to set our point on their agenda. (But <BR>> > for that i would
write it in another style than this one.) <BR>> > Best, <BR>> >
Mike <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > <BR>>
> *From:* rainbowleft@libero.it
<mailto:rainbowleft@libero.it> <BR>> > *To:*
individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de <BR>> >
<mailto:individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de> <BR>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:28 AM <BR>>
> *Subject:* [Individual-members-EL] R: Re: 1.may
<BR>> > <BR>> > Dear all, <BR>> >
<BR>> > I'd like to sign the letter as well. It
reminds more or less the <BR>> > petition that we
tried to circulate at the Paris summer University <BR>> >
of the EL. <BR>> > <BR>> > I have been an
invidual member for years. I keep my membership <BR>> >
card in the wallet altough I haven't paid any fees in a while but
<BR>> > it was not really a choice, simply the
activities were practically <BR>> > non-existent.
Last meeting we had was probably more than one year <BR>> >
ago to discuss the letter for the Congress. After we have a <BR>>
> definitive version what kind of distribution were you
thinking <BR>> > about? Would you spread it around
among likely supporters or keep <BR>> > it ibetween
us and the directive? <BR>> > <BR>> > By the
way, have a look to what other left-wing european parties <BR>> >
are doing maybe they have a couple of recyclable ideas. <BR>>
> <BR>> > European Activists of the Socialists
<BR>> > http://www.pes.org/en/pes-activists <BR>>
> Individual supporters network of the Greens <BR>>
> http://www.greenyourope.eu/ <BR>> > <BR>>
> A note for the revision: I think that in English the
title of <BR>> > Pierre Laurent is "President" more
than "Chairman" of the EL. <BR>> > <BR>> >
http://www.european-left.org/english/home/news_archive/news_archive/zurueck/news-archive/artikel/message-of-el-president-pierre-laurent-the-spanish-movement-is-a-great-hope-1/
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Thank for the
effort. <BR>> > <BR>> > Stefano Panozzo
<BR>> > <BR>> > ----Messaggio
originale---- <BR>> > Da:
norberthagemann@web.de <BR>> > Data:
03/10/2011 18.26 <BR>> > A: "Indiv.
Members <BR>> >
EL"<individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de>, "asbjørn <BR>>
> andersen"<asander@online.no>,
<arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com>, <BR>> >
<EPirelli@t-online.de>, <laurarey@online.no> <BR>>
> Ogg: Re: [Individual-members-EL] 1.may
<BR>> > <BR>> > Dear Mike, dear
Stephen, dear Luke, dear Individuals :-) <BR>> >
attached you can find the letter to Laurant translated by me
<BR>> > into English. I think Stephen
and / or you Luke you should <BR>> >
please be so kind and check and correct this translation <BR>>
> otherwise Laurant will get a worst
translation into frensh and <BR>> >
please let's avoid a situation that he can not understand due <BR>>
> to language reasons. <BR>> >
Afterwards the question is, who finally will sign,
I saw a <BR>> > feedback only from
Mike, Stephen and Luke or ... ? <BR>> >
Let's try to have it ready till Thursday and then to <BR>> >
distribute the letter via the EL office in Brussels
(as a Mail <BR>> > or a letter ...?)
<BR>> > <BR>> > kind regards
<BR>> > <BR>> > Norbert <BR>>
> <BR>> > <BR>> >
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<BR>> > *Von:* "Norbert
Hagemann" <norberthagemann@web.de> <BR>> >
*Gesendet:* 24-Sep-2011 19:03:51 <BR>>
> *An:* "Indiv. Members EL"
<BR>> >
<individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de>, "asbjørn <BR>>
> andersen"
<asander@online.no>, arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com, <BR>> >
EPirelli@t-online.de,
laurarey@online.no <BR>> >
*Betreff:* Re: [Individual-members-EL] 1.may <BR>> > <BR>>
> Dear all, <BR>>
> I'm using this mail to go
in contact with you. Hopefully <BR>> >
this will work. <BR>> >
I would like to ask you all to give me a feedback on the <BR>>
> following idea. <BR>>
> <BR>> > Next days
there will be a meeting of the Ex-Board (?) in <BR>> >
Paris. This meeting will take place roughly
9 months after <BR>> >
the Paris Party Congress. Since this congress the board <BR>>
> had a lot of meetings
around the globe during which never <BR>> >
ever was the discussed the issue of our rights, the rights
<BR>> > as Individual
members in the Party. So finally (after <BR>> >
being for years – since Athens - a member without
any <BR>> > rights) I
would ask you to send a letter from our side to <BR>> >
the Board meeting asking to find urgently a
solution and <BR>> > to
involve us in this process / decision how the solutions <BR>> >
should looks like. I personally
stopped 9 months ago to <BR>> >
pay my Party contribution (no rights - no obligations) but <BR>>
> nobody is caring about
that. <BR>> > Would
someone be interested to write together with me this <BR>> >
letter and to sign it. <BR>> >
<BR>> > Kind regards
<BR>> > <BR>> >
Norbert <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>>
>
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<BR>> >
*Von:* selvåg <kollung@online.no> <BR>> >
*Gesendet:* 01.05.2011
11:49:02 <BR>> >
*An:* "asbjørn andersen" <asander@online.no>, <BR>> >
arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com, EPirelli@t-online.de, <BR>> >
laurarey@online.no,
<BR>> >
individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de <BR>> >
*Betreff:*
[Individual-members-EL] 1.may <BR>> > <BR>> >
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red_flag*_workers of the world unite._* <BR>> >
*_1.may 2011._* <BR>>
> *_kollung
selvåg_* <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
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