<html><head></head><body bgcolor='#FFFFFF' style='font-size:10pt;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;'>Lieber Mike,<br/>bevor ich diesen Text übersetze, anbei einmal mein Entwurf. Willst / könntest Du einmal drüber schauen und natürlich beliebig ergänzen / ändern?<br/>Was meine Intention wäre: eine Prozess starten der Klarheit schafft und im best case in dem die Individuellen gleich selbst mit drinn sind, ergo keine Stellverteter und deren Spiele mehr, das könnte auch die Pflicht bedeuten die Indi's hierbei zu "organisieren". Wenn das alles nicht geht sollte man diskutieren oder selbst entscheiden ob man klagt, per Petition die Rechtmässigkeit von Zahlungen an die EL prüfen lässt, zu gehen ... (leave, live oder love) ..<br/><br/>lg<br/>Norbert <br/><br/><br/><blockquote style="border-left: blue 2px solid; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; padding-top: 5px"><hr/><b>Von:</b> "Mike Nagler" <mnel@gmx.net><br/><b>Gesendet:</b> 25-Sep-2011 14:42:39<br/><b>An:</b> "Indiv. Members EL" <individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de>, "'\"asbjørn andersen\"'" <asander@online.no>, arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com, EPirelli@t-online.de, laurarey@online.no<br/><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Individual-members-EL] 1.may<br/><br/><div><div><font size="2">Dear Norbert,</font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2">i agree with you and i would sign such a letter too. But stephen is also right with his points. We have a big problem with nationalism in the european left memberparties - not so much inside the normal members - but of course at the funcional level. So there is no will to step forward to an unitied european party because that means delivery of power and more democracy. But its no new discussion... its at least 100 years old. Anyway to change something we have to focus not only at the board or the boards of the national parties. The national parties focus each mainly on their national level and revolve around themselves. The way to starting up a network of european members from the bottom is still the right one, but we are not so much inside the national parties with our proposals. The actual "real democracy now" protests in the different countries all over europe could be a connection for an active european left that is not only existing on a bureaucratic level. </font><font size="2">If you write such a letter please sent it over our list.</font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2">Greetings from Leipzig,</font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2">Mike</font></div><div><font size="2">germany</font></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left: #000000 2px solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px"><div style="font: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: 10pt arial; background: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:stephen_spence@btinternet.com" title="stephen_spence@btinternet.com">Stephen Spence</a></div><div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de" title="individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de">'Indiv. Members EL'</a> ; <a href="mailto:asander@online.no" title="asander@online.no">'"asbjørn andersen"'</a> ; <a href="mailto:arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com" title="arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com">arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:EPirelli@t-online.de" title="EPirelli@t-online.de">EPirelli@t-online.de</a> ; <a href="mailto:laurarey@online.no" title="laurarey@online.no">laurarey@online.no</a></div><div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:07 PM</div><div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Individual-members-EL] 1.may</div><div> </div><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">Nobert,</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">I have been involved since 2004, attending the founding Conference in Rome, 2<sup>nd</sup> in Prague and 3<sup>rd</sup> in Paris. The Executive Board are not in the slightest bit interested in developing individual membership. The Left in Germany were supportive but have given up, the French Communists and Synpaspismos in Greece have been particularly against in the past any form of rights for individual members.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">I too have stopped making any contribution, which I guess menas I am not a member anymore, but no-one has noticed, because I believe no-one cares enough to do anything about it. Trying to do anything about it ourselves is hard because we need allies in the parties and haven’t got enough.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">I still attend the Trade Union Network when I can, but I’m seriously considering what my future is with the European Left.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">I would be happy to sign your letter, but I don’t hold out much hope that it will do any good.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">Best</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">Stephen </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">Stephen Spence</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">UK</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"/></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt"> individual-members-el-bounces@listi.jpberlin.de [mailto:individual-members-el-bounces@listi.jpberlin.de] <b><span style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Norbert Hagemann<br/><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Sent:</span></b> 24 September 2011 18:04<br/><b><span style="font-weight: bold">To:</span></b> Indiv. Members EL; "asbjørn andersen"; arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com; EPirelli@t-online.de; laurarey@online.no<br/><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Individual-members-EL] 1.may</span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt"><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt">Dear all,<br/>I'm using this mail to go in contact with you. Hopefully this will work.<br/>I would like to ask you all to give me a feedback on the following idea.<br/> <br/>Next days there will be a meeting of the Ex-Board (?) in Paris. This meeting will take place roughly 9 months after the Paris Party Congress. Since this congress the board had a lot of meetings around the globe during which never ever was the discussed the issue of our rights, the rights as Individual members in the Party. So finally (after being for years – since Athens - a member without any rights) I would ask you to send a letter from our side to the Board meeting asking to find urgently a solution and to involve us in this process / decision how the solutions should looks like. I personally stopped 9 months ago to pay my Party contribution (no rights - no obligations) but nobody is caring about that. <br/>Would someone be interested to write together with me this letter and to sign it.<br/><br/>Kind regards<br/><br/>Norbert</span></font><br/><br/><br/> </p><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"/></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt"><b><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt"> selvåg <kollung@online.no><br/><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Gesendet:</span></b> 01.05.2011 11:49:02<br/><b><span style="font-weight: bold">An:</span></b> "asbjørn andersen" <asander@online.no>, arthur.lindbom@yahoo.com, EPirelli@t-online.de, laurarey@online.no, individual-members-el@listi.jpberlin.de<br/><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Betreff:</span></b> [Individual-members-EL] 1.may</span></font></p><div><div><div><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"/></div></div><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"/></div></div><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"/></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: black; font-size: 12pt"><img alt="red_flag" border="0" height="229" id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:e306076e-7f22-4784-989e-5bee731dcc13" style="background-image: none; border-right-width: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; padding-top: 0px" title="red_flag" width="154"/></span></font><strong><b><u><font color="red" face="Calibri" size="6"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: red; font-size: 24pt">workers of the world unite.</span></font></u></b></strong></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><u><font color="red" face="Calibri" size="6"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: red; font-size: 24pt">1.may 2011.</span></font></u></b></strong></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: black; font-size: 12pt"> </span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><u><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: black; font-size: 12pt">kollung selvåg</span></font></u></b></strong></p></div></div></div></div></div><p> </p><hr/><p> </p>_______________________________________________<br/>Individual-members-EL Mailingliste<br/>JPBerlin - Politischer Provider<br/>Individual-members-EL@listi.jpberlin.de<br/>https://listi.jpberlin.de/mailman/listinfo/individual-members-el</blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>