[Individual-members-EL] FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members

Thu Mar 1 21:49:49 CET 2012

Stephen, you are free, you can elect.
Regards
Maite
El 01/03/2012 21:03, "Stephen Spence" <stephen_spence at btinternet.com>
escribió:

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> Dear Maite Mola,****
>
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>
> Happy to tell Waltraud anything she’d like to know.  I met her in ****
> Portugal**** some years ago at a Summer School.  ****
>
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>
> I can share the same points I’ve made so far to you, Helmut Scholz, Jean
> Francois Gau, Martin Herberg, Giorgos Karatsiobanis, and many others at
> different times over eight years and see if something finally happens, but
> I think if nothing changes in April, that will be enough for me.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best****
>
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>
> Stephen****
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> *From:* maitemola at gmail.com [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Maite
> Mola
> *Sent:* 01 March 2012 19:32
> *To:* Stephen Spence
> *Cc:* Indiv. Members EL; Giorgos Karatsioubanis; Waltraud Fritz-Klackl
> *Subject:* Re: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
> members****
>
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> Dear Stephen,****
>
> Please, can you communicate with Waltraud Fritz-Klacl? She is the member
> of the EL Secretariat charged of the Statutes Commission, it's better that
> you communicate directly with her. ****
>
> You have in CC her mail.****
>
> Regards,****
>
> Maite Mola****
>
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> 2012/3/1 Stephen Spence <stephen_spence at btinternet.com>****
>
> Dear Maite Mola,****
>
>  ****
>
> Yes, and if the Parties had taken this seriously before, individual
> members would be able to help you now, many of us with years of experience
> as organisers, to assist to defend working people through the EL, now the
> crisis has hit.****
>
>  ****
>
> Instead, through inaction, we sit outside the EL structure, mere observors
> and impotent, as you are left to do the work without an additional group of
> allies you could have made use of, who have been asking for years, not for
> some kind of prize, but to be allowed into the structures to help.****
>
>  ****
>
> In the absence of an EL structure we work through other organisations,
> trade unions, social movements, etc. but can’t work through the EL because
> the EL won’t let us in any meaningful way.****
>
>  ****
>
> The crisis you mention is exactly why the EL now needs to take urgent
> steps, to make up for the inaction of the past so as we can participate in
> the defence of working people, which is what the EL is for. ****
>
>  ****
>
> I appreciate your understanding of this matter.****
>
>  ****
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> Best****
>
>  ****
>
> Stephen****
>
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> *From:* Maite Mola [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 29 February 2012 20:02
> *To:* Stephen Spence
> *Subject:* RE: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
> members****
>
>  ****
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> Dear Stephen,
> Yes, I understand it is important the individual members, but the, crisis,
> austeriry, authotitarism, migrants,...the people and his situation it's our
> principal problem in the agenda, regards
> Maite Mola****
>
> El 29/02/2012 20:55, "Stephen Spence" <stephen_spence at btinternet.com>
> escribió:****
>
> Dear Maite Mola,****
>
>  ****
>
> Thank you for advising me that the issue of individual members is now
> going to the Statues Commission.  ****
>
>  ****
>
> It is disappointing that we were to get an answer in January, then
> February and now April, nevertheless I am grateful for your response.****
>
>  ****
>
> Best****
>
>  ****
>
> Stephen****
>
>  ****
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>
> *From:* Maite Mola [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 29 February 2012 08:54
> *To:* Stephen Spence
> *Subject:* Fwd: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
> members****
>
>  ****
>
> Dear Stephen, I send you my answer to Norbert, of the 20 of February.
> Regards
> Maite Mola****
>
> ---------- Mensaje reenviado ----------
> De: "Maite Mola" <maitemola at gmail.com>
> Fecha: 22/02/2012 21:44
> Asunto: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members
> **Para**: "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
> Cc: "Indiv. Members EL" <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>, <
> giorgos.karatsioubanis at european-left.org>****
>
> Dear Norbert
> The 20 of April the Statutes commission of the EL will meet in ****Madrid*
> ***, to speak about this matter. The president of this commission is Jiri
> Hudecek.
> Regards
> Maite****
>
> El 22/02/2012 20:03, "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de> escribió:
> ****
>
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>
> Dear Maite Mola,
> could you please be so kind and inform us about the debate on us as
> individual Members in secretariat meeting you mentioned in your mail.
> We are very keen to push forward this issue to a positive solution within
> a reasonable timeframe.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Norbert Hagemann****
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> *Von:* "Maite Mola" <maite.mola at european-left.org>
> *Gesendet:* 31.01.2012 13:47:28
> *An:* "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
> *Betreff:* Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
> members
>
> Dear Norbert, dear all, ****
>
> We have decided in the ex board of ****Berlin****, to discuss about the
> situation of the individual members in the EL in the secretariat of the 4
> February.****
>
> I'll write you next week about it and inform you!****
>
> Regards,****
>
> Maite Mola****
>
> Vice-President
> European Left Office
> Rue Parnasse 30
> B-1050 Bruxelles
> Phone: +32.2.5022- 606 <%2B32.2.5022-%20606>
> Fax:    +32.2.5020 -173
> E-Mail: maite.mola at european-left.org
> Web: http://www.european-left.org ****
>
> 2012/1/10 Maite Mola <maitemola at gmail.com>****
>
> Dear Norbert,
> Ill send your letter tomorrow to the Secretariat of the EL, and I ll
> inform you about our decision after our meeting in ****Berlin****.
> Regards,
> Maite Mola****
>
> El 10/01/2012 21:17, "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
> escribió: ****
>
>  ****
>
> Dear Maite Mola,
>
> before the last EL EX-Board meeting in early October I sent a letter to
> Pierre Laurant (using his PCF mail account) which was discussed between the
> individual members using our mail list and at the end signed by eight of us
> from different countries. The letter deals with the problem of our formal
> rights within the EL, reflecting our situation and making proposals how to
> deal with in the near future. As of today there is neither a reply nor a
> confirmation of receipt and so we sent the same letter to Giorgios
> Karatsioubanis within the EL office in **Brussels** asking him to
> distribute the letter to all parties of the European Left and to discuss
> this issue on the next meeting in ****Berlin****.
>
> We asked at the same time to include within the upcoming budget for the
> year 2012 an amount of money for a meeting which should be organized
> to discuss between us the way out of this situation and to organize our
> work within the EL.
>
>
> Giorgios Karatsioubanis asked me to resent this letter to you as
> coordinator of the EL Executive Board. I hope you will support our request
> indipendently from the question would you be personaly in favour or not of
> the individual membership.
>
> Thank's for that.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Norbert Hagemann
>
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Giorgos Karatsioubanis" <giorgos.karatsioubanis at european-left.org>
> Gesendet: 09-Jan-2012 17:39:09
> An: "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
> Betreff: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members
>
> Dear Norbert,
>
> I have received your letter, and after having a first discussion on it,
> i would like to ask you to direct the email to Maite Mola, as
> coordinator of the Executive Board of the EL. Her email is:
> maitemola at gmail.com
>
> Best regards,
> Giorgos Karatsioubanis
>
>
> ps. i have to inform you, after speaking with them, that the office of
> Pierre Laurent did not receive any letter on this matter before the ExB
> meeting in ****Paris****. For future messages to Pierre Laurent, please
> send
> them also to Anne Sabourin asabourin at pcf.fr
>
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:18:13 +0100 (CET), Norbert Hagemann wrote:
> > Dear Giorgios Karatsioubanis,
> > could you please be so kind and confirm us that you got the letter.
> > We would be interested to hear from you, if you would be so kind and
> > forward the letter and the request as proposed by us.
> >
> > Thanks for your support. Please be so kind and keep us informed
> > about
> > your activities regarding this letter.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> >> -------------------------
> >> VON: "Norbert Hagemann"
> >> GESENDET: 25-Dec-2011 22:04:30
> >> AN: giorgos.karatsioubanis at european-left.org
> >> BETREFF: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members
> >>
> >> Dear Giorgios Karatsioubanis,
> >> enclosed I send you a letter which was signed by eight individual
> >> EL members from different countries. The letter deals with the
> >> problem of the rights of individual members apart and was sent by us
> >> to Pierre Laurant before the last EL EX-Board meeting in early
> >> October. To date, neither a reply nor a confirmation of receipt is
> >> received.
> >>
> >> Since you as "employee" of EL are also responsible for us, the
> >> individual members, we want to ask you officially to give this
> >> letter to all member and observer parties of the EL at the latest
> >> till the next Board meeting in January in ****Berlin****. We hope that
> this
> >> letter will be formaly put on the agenda and discussed during this
> >> meeting.
> >>
> >> At the same time we want to ask you, to communicate to all parties
> >> our request, that in the upcoming budget of the EL for the year 2012
> >> we would like to have introduced a reasonable amount of money for an
> >> European meeting of individual members to be organized next year
> >> with the aim to discuss and organize our work within the EL. The
> >> existing working structures for cooperation of the trade unionists
> >> or the EL-FEM-structures are well established examples how we would
> >> like to go ahead in the future.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your support. Please be so kind and keep us informed
> >> about your activities regarding this letter.
> >>
> >> Sincerely
> >>
> >> Norbert
>
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> --
> Maite Mola
> Vice-President
> European Left Office
> Rue Parnasse 30
> B-1050 Bruxelles
> Phone: +32.2.5022- 606 <%2B32.2.5022-%20606>
> Fax:    +32.2.5020 -173
> E-Mail: maite.mola at european-left.org
> Web: http://www.european-left.org****
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> --
> Maite Mola
> Vice-President
> European Left Office
> Rue Parnasse 30
> B-1050 Bruxelles
> Phone: +32.2.5022- 606
> Fax:    +32.2.5020 -173
> E-Mail: maite.mola at european-left.org
> Web: http://www.european-left.org****
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