[Individual-members-EL] FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members

Thu Mar 1 22:46:08 CET 2012

Dear Maite,

I can’t elect you.  I do not have a vote.

Best

Stephen

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From: Maite Mola [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 March 2012 20:50
To: Stephen Spence
Cc: Giorgos Karatsioubanis; Indiv. Members EL; Waltraud Fritz-Klackl
Subject: RE: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
members

Stephen, you are free, you can elect.
Regards
Maite

El 01/03/2012 21:03, "Stephen Spence" <stephen_spence at btinternet.com>
escribió:

Dear Maite Mola,

Happy to tell Waltraud anything she’d like to know.  I met her in Portugal
some years ago at a Summer School.  

I can share the same points I’ve made so far to you, Helmut Scholz, Jean
Francois Gau, Martin Herberg, Giorgos Karatsiobanis, and many others at
different times over eight years and see if something finally happens, but I
think if nothing changes in April, that will be enough for me.

Best

Stephen

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From: maitemola at gmail.com [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Maite
Mola
Sent: 01 March 2012 19:32
To: Stephen Spence
Cc: Indiv. Members EL; Giorgos Karatsioubanis; Waltraud Fritz-Klackl
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
members

Dear Stephen,

Please, can you communicate with Waltraud Fritz-Klacl? She is the member of
the EL Secretariat charged of the Statutes Commission, it's better that you
communicate directly with her. 

You have in CC her mail.

Regards,

Maite Mola

2012/3/1 Stephen Spence <stephen_spence at btinternet.com>

Dear Maite Mola,

Yes, and if the Parties had taken this seriously before, individual members
would be able to help you now, many of us with years of experience as
organisers, to assist to defend working people through the EL, now the
crisis has hit.

Instead, through inaction, we sit outside the EL structure, mere observors
and impotent, as you are left to do the work without an additional group of
allies you could have made use of, who have been asking for years, not for
some kind of prize, but to be allowed into the structures to help.

In the absence of an EL structure we work through other organisations, trade
unions, social movements, etc. but can’t work through the EL because the EL
won’t let us in any meaningful way.

The crisis you mention is exactly why the EL now needs to take urgent steps,
to make up for the inaction of the past so as we can participate in the
defence of working people, which is what the EL is for. 

I appreciate your understanding of this matter.

Best

Stephen

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From: Maite Mola [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 February 2012 20:02
To: Stephen Spence
Subject: RE: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
members

Dear Stephen,
Yes, I understand it is important the individual members, but the, crisis,
austeriry, authotitarism, migrants,...the people and his situation it's our
principal problem in the agenda, regards
Maite Mola

El 29/02/2012 20:55, "Stephen Spence" <stephen_spence at btinternet.com>
escribió:

Dear Maite Mola,

Thank you for advising me that the issue of individual members is now going
to the Statues Commission.  

It is disappointing that we were to get an answer in January, then February
and now April, nevertheless I am grateful for your response.

Best

Stephen

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From: Maite Mola [mailto:maitemola at gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 February 2012 08:54
To: Stephen Spence
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual
members

Dear Stephen, I send you my answer to Norbert, of the 20 of February.
Regards
Maite Mola

---------- Mensaje reenviado ----------
De: "Maite Mola" <maitemola at gmail.com>
Fecha: 22/02/2012 21:44
Asunto: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members
Para: "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
Cc: "Indiv. Members EL" <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>,
<giorgos.karatsioubanis at european-left.org>

Dear Norbert
The 20 of April the Statutes commission of the EL will meet in Madrid, to
speak about this matter. The president of this commission is Jiri Hudecek.
Regards
Maite

El 22/02/2012 20:03, "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de> escribió:

Dear Maite Mola,
could you please be so kind and inform us about the debate on us as
individual Members in secretariat meeting you mentioned in your mail.
We are very keen to push forward this issue to a positive solution within a
reasonable timeframe.

Kind regards

Norbert Hagemann

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Von: "Maite Mola" <maite.mola at european-left.org>
Gesendet: 31.01.2012 13:47:28
An: "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
Betreff: Re: FW: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members

Dear Norbert, dear all, 

We have decided in the ex board of Berlin, to discuss about the situation of
the individual members in the EL in the secretariat of the 4 February.

I'll write you next week about it and inform you!

Regards,

Maite Mola

Vice-President
European Left Office
Rue Parnasse 30
B-1050 Bruxelles
Phone: +32.2.5022- <tel:%2B32.2.5022-%20606>  606
Fax:    +32.2.5020 -173 <tel:%2B32.2.5020%20-173> 
E-Mail: maite.mola at european-left.org
Web: http://www.european-left.org <http://www.european-left.org/>  

2012/1/10 Maite Mola <maitemola at gmail.com>

Dear Norbert,
Ill send your letter tomorrow to the Secretariat of the EL, and I ll inform
you about our decision after our meeting in Berlin.
Regards,
Maite Mola

El 10/01/2012 21:17, "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de> escribió: 

Dear Maite Mola,

before the last EL EX-Board meeting in early October I sent a letter to
Pierre Laurant (using his PCF mail account) which was discussed between the
individual members using our mail list and at the end signed by eight of us
from different countries. The letter deals with the problem of our formal
rights within the EL, reflecting our situation and making proposals how to
deal with in the near future. As of today there is neither a reply nor a
confirmation of receipt and so we sent the same letter to Giorgios
Karatsioubanis within the EL office in Brussels asking him to distribute the
letter to all parties of the European Left and to discuss this issue on the
next meeting in Berlin.

We asked at the same time to include within the upcoming budget for the year
2012 an amount of money for a meeting which should be organized to discuss
between us the way out of this situation and to organize our work within the
EL.

Giorgios Karatsioubanis asked me to resent this letter to you as coordinator
of the EL Executive Board. I hope you will support our request indipendently
from the question would you be personaly in favour or not of the individual
membership.

Thank's for that.

Warm regards

Norbert Hagemann

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Giorgos Karatsioubanis" <giorgos.karatsioubanis at european-left.org>
Gesendet: 09-Jan-2012 17:39:09
An: "Norbert Hagemann" <norberthagemann at web.de>
Betreff: Re: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members

Dear Norbert,

I have received your letter, and after having a first discussion on it,
i would like to ask you to direct the email to Maite Mola, as
coordinator of the Executive Board of the EL. Her email is:
maitemola at gmail.com

Best regards,
Giorgos Karatsioubanis

ps. i have to inform you, after speaking with them, that the office of
Pierre Laurent did not receive any letter on this matter before the ExB
meeting in Paris. For future messages to Pierre Laurent, please send
them also to Anne Sabourin asabourin at pcf.fr

On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:18:13 +0100 (CET), Norbert Hagemann wrote:
> Dear Giorgios Karatsioubanis,
> could you please be so kind and confirm us that you got the letter.
> We would be interested to hear from you, if you would be so kind and
> forward the letter and the request as proposed by us.
>
> Thanks for your support. Please be so kind and keep us informed
> about
> your activities regarding this letter.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Norbert
>
>> -------------------------
>> VON: "Norbert Hagemann"
>> GESENDET: 25-Dec-2011 22:04:30
>> AN: giorgos.karatsioubanis at european-left.org
>> BETREFF: letter to all EL parties regarding individual members
>>
>> Dear Giorgios Karatsioubanis,
>> enclosed I send you a letter which was signed by eight individual
>> EL members from different countries. The letter deals with the
>> problem of the rights of individual members apart and was sent by us
>> to Pierre Laurant before the last EL EX-Board meeting in early
>> October. To date, neither a reply nor a confirmation of receipt is
>> received.
>>
>> Since you as "employee" of EL are also responsible for us, the
>> individual members, we want to ask you officially to give this
>> letter to all member and observer parties of the EL at the latest
>> till the next Board meeting in January in Berlin. We hope that this
>> letter will be formaly put on the agenda and discussed during this
>> meeting.
>>
>> At the same time we want to ask you, to communicate to all parties
>> our request, that in the upcoming budget of the EL for the year 2012
>> we would like to have introduced a reasonable amount of money for an
>> European meeting of individual members to be organized next year
>> with the aim to discuss and organize our work within the EL. The
>> existing working structures for cooperation of the trade unionists
>> or the EL-FEM-structures are well established examples how we would
>> like to go ahead in the future.
>>
>> Thanks for your support. Please be so kind and keep us informed
>> about your activities regarding this letter.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Norbert

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Maite Mola
Vice-President
European Left Office
Rue Parnasse 30
B-1050 Bruxelles
Phone: +32.2.5022- <tel:%2B32.2.5022-%20606>  606
Fax:    +32.2.5020 -173 <tel:%2B32.2.5020%20-173> 
E-Mail: maite.mola at european-left.org
Web: http://www.european-left.org

-- 
Maite Mola
Vice-President
European Left Office
Rue Parnasse 30
B-1050 Bruxelles
Phone: +32.2.5022- <tel:%2B32.2.5022-%20606>  606
Fax:    +32.2.5020 -173 <tel:%2B32.2.5020%20-173> 
E-Mail: maite.mola at european-left.org
Web: http://www.european-left.org

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