[Individual-members-EL] (no subject) - PS

Thu May 7 10:00:03 CEST 2009

Yes, Francis put it precisely, me too I do not want to be counterpart for
the non-functional or healthy left wing in my country (Czech republic) I am
more interested in establishing Pan-european party. Wheter it would be
within structures of the EL or not is a minor problem. The question is, how
to cooperate and how to divide responsibilities rationally.

 Just yesterday I have met my friend from Maastricht (he is Czech as me but
he is there for business and within 2 months he is returning back home) and
in our discussion we also slightly touched the current issues going through
all over EU countries esp scandalous Czech presidency over EU.

I suggest we should organize "interest" groups: such as cultural,
environmental, linguistic and so on.... each for his own, independently on
national citizenship and use a platform of the EL for organizing meetings
from time to time to present our surveys.

For example: I have planned to present Slavoj Zizek studies on the next
summer university, but unfortunately it will take place in Chisinau/Moldovia
which is too far to go even form me not to speak about Western Europeans. I
refused to go there by bus or car, so if there will be no train or plane I
would have to postpone my lecture on Zizek for the next summer.

As I have declared previously I am working more on the theoretical basis,
since the "Other Europe" should stand on the new ideas, not the old ones.

But there is also going the discussion on Marx theories: Just yesterday,
there has been public discussion on Marx organized by Socialistic Solidarity
hosted by Social-Democrats central here in Prague.

The Left is very fragmented in my country and there are many leftists groups
beyond the public resolution. The same is for supporters of Direct
Democracy, which is my second main interest. As I have said previously I
cannot support any existing Left-based structure in my country since none of
them is not going to pursue sustainable work for the future of EUROPE and I
can support only such ideas and concepts which ARE LIVELY or has the chance
to survive next 20 years at least.

So I am prepared to do a very hard, meaningful work if we would agree on
some working concept within European frame.

best regards

Jan

2009/5/6 Francis King <francis at socialisthistorysociety.co.uk>

>  ...and that is why I am in favour of a Europe-wide individual members'
> organisation of some kind, and against national groups of individual
> members, which completely defeat the object of having a European party in
> the first place.
>
> I have just received and read Mike Nagler's comments - in general, I agree
> with his approach.
>
> Francis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Francis King <francis at socialisthistorysociety.co.uk>
> *To:* Mario & Alicia Gabrielli <marioaliciagm at yahoo.es> ;
> individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Individual-members-EL] (no subject)
>
> Hi all
>
> In response to Mario: we need to work on different levels. Some comrades
> are particularly focussed on local questions, some on national-level
> questions, and some of us are interested in the pan-European issues. On the
> national level, it is fine for Mario and his comrades to work in RC, even if
> they are doing it from Belgium. The job of RC is to intervene in *Italian*politics, after all. But there are also Europe-wide issues, issues which
> transcend national borders. Indeed, as capital becomes increasingly
> globalised, there are more and more of these issues. It is for these *
> transnational* issues that a genuinely pan-European left party would be
> useful, not to work *against* the national parties, but to give
> European-oriented leftists a framework in which to work across borders. I
> didn't join EL to intervene in British politics - there are better ways to
> do that. I joined it in the hope that it might become a genuinely
> international party rather than just an umbrella for a collection of
> national forces. Whether it can do that, and if so, how, I don't know. But I
> am sure there is a need for such a framework.
>
> in comradeship
>
> Francis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Mario & Alicia Gabrielli <marioaliciagm at yahoo.es>
> *To:* individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Individual-members-EL] (no subject)
>
>   Dear comrades,
>
> I'm Mario, an Italian-Spaniard living in Brussels, member of Rifondazione
> Comunista in Belgium (see www.rifondazione.be). I was following the
> discussion, as usual, and in this case I would like to say something on the
> question of EL Individual Members, organisation, claim for recognition and
> support, and so on.
>
> Sincerely, I do not understand the real meaning, and above all, the real
> need and utility, to have such "individual members" groups - apart when in a
> specific country there is no party or organisation as member or observer of
> the European Left Party. But in a lot of European countries, we do have at
> least one party, so, my question is: why create someting "new" or
> "different" when something already exist? Why don't give them a hand,
> instead of re-investing the wheel? If someone want to engage him/herself in
> political/social activities in the framework of the EL, why don't join a EL
> party somewhere?
>
> I hope that the idea of "individual members" groups outside the local EL
> parties would not mean to be "against" or "overcoming" those parties... Of
> course I don't think that a party is the only or exclusive way to "make
> politics" and to be engaged in social issues, but at the same time I don't
> share some negative attitudes towards political parties, which lead someone
> to think that only in an informal organisation it would be possible to be
> "free" or "independent".
>
> In my opinion, if we want to do something for a better Europe, as leftists
> (or, even better, as communists!), let's join one of the political parties
> members of the EL; or even one not a member, and in this case, we can try to
> contribute to approach positions - instead of dividing our forces and
> losing time, resources and efforts in defining what an "individual members"
> group should do or not, what representativity, what right of vote, what
> support, what... what?
>
> I take the opportunity to confirm that the Italian communists -
> Rifondazione Comunista and Comunisti Italiani, in the EL as member and
> observer respectively - partecipate together to the European elections, in
> the Communist and Anti-capitalist list http://www.unaltraeuropa.eu/. This
> is the only real Left in Italy... beware of imitations!
>
> Fraternally,
>
> Mario
>
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