[Individual-members-EL] new working group
Georges SOSSOIS
george.sossois at compaqnet.be
Wed May 6 18:27:38 CEST 2009
The same. It would be easier to join a EL group and go along the same lines. At present, the old "internationalist" line where you have representatives of national groups next to each other does not seem to work any more. I prefer "cosmopolitism" where militants from everywhere in Europe would be on an equal footing. However, both structures
linked together are not incompatible if we want to be efficient.
Yours
Georges
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Šlemenda
To: Ulrich Deike
Cc: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] new working group
Dear Uli,
the reformation or at least an attempt to make individual members more "visible" has been discussed on a separate meeting of the individual members in Paris,
the outcome is this discussion list. Steve had a speech there that we should gather and make ourselves more valuable for the EL.
Unfortunately, the existing structure and rules of the EL does not permit the individual member to take the vote. I wonder, how can one exist within such structure and provide sustainable work in any field of interest.
I know some members of "Transform!" and Gay/Lesbian group (the younger ones) and I feel their efforts very valuable but still they are members of their national parties mainly, each of which provide substatntial support for thiers various activities.
On the contrary we are not in the same waters. We have no national parties which we can join because our left wing parties are not in accord with the principles of the EL. And thats the main point. I am happy as an individual member but I have learned already that EL is not reformable in a new practical working party.
Could you,please, make yourself more clear with what is to be done to establish group that will add something valuable to the current status of the EL then?
I cannot see how this could be managed on an official level, since HQ of the EL had already made themselves clear, they are not willing to change anythnig concerning individual members. Steve can confirm that.
Still I am prepared to do anything sensible to push things forward to our goal.
with best regards
Jan
2009/5/4 Ulrich Deike <udeike at web.de>
Dear Jan,
a slight misunderstanding: My suggestion is not a new party dependent on the EL
but a working group within the EL that can help reform the party towards a truly
European and democratic party.
If that future working group is once strong enough to have its own bureau (not just officially
as an address, but for our political work), why not set it in Prague then.
Uli
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Jan Clemenda" <slemenda at gmail.com>
> Gesendet: 04.05.09 09:14:11
> An: Ulrich Deike <udeike at web.de>
> CC: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> Betreff: Re: [Individual-members-EL] new working group
Dear Uli,
>
> I have proposed simillar activities between members of the EL incl.
> individual members 2 years ago in Gosau.
> I can hardly understand, why neigboring nations do not cooperate more
> closely. I have difiiculties to speak German, but no problem with
> English, French or Russian.
>
> As a sole member in residing in Prague I can offer official Bureau in
> Prague and voluntarily working for the EL.
> But there is not even slightest attempt to cooperate on an internationa
> l basis.
>
> As economical downturn deepens I feel this should have been prepared
> already to take proper measures.
>
> Sorry to be so sceptical, but I am still keeping my enthusiasm afloat.
>
> I can do a lot, but lets get together and decide what could be done
> first.
>
> If we need a new Pan-European party dependent on the EL or not I can
> establish its Bureau here and make it official legally here.
>
> We will only need 1000 of supporters in Czech republic which is not
> very easy task, but realistic perspective for a year of the very hard
> work to be done to do so.
>
> There is a strong need between intellectuals to have a proper left
> party, which is missing here. Let us fill this vacancy!
>
> yours
> Jan
>
> 2009/5/3 Ulrich Deike <udeike at web.de>
> Dear friends,
>
> how about forming an EL working group "European Party" uniting
> individual members of
> the EL that are not members of one of its member or observer parties
> and therefore define
> themselves as a transnational group of members.
> We would have to agree on our major goals (in line with the manifesto
> and statute of the EL)
> and elect a board and spokesperson via email.
>
> The big advantage: working groups are a well-established transnational
> structure of the EL,
> no conflicts with statute etc. And I reckon we would also be entitled
> to have a budget and a link
> on the EL homepage.
>
> One of our goals should definitely be to foster the Europeanization
> of existing national parties,
> in our case especially of the EL.
> Even though all of us recognize that, at the moment, most member
> parties in the EL don't like
> this, such an opinion surely wouldn't violate the principles of a
> European party such as the EL.
>
> Other possible goals of this working group:
> -strengthening ties between EL-members inside and outside our group (
> local partnership across borders,...)
> -political activities like the ones carried out by the Brussels group
> of indiv. members during the past years
> -EL membership campaigns esp. in countries with no EL member party (
> some of you may of heard
> of the flyer that Mike NAgler and I created 3 years ago for indiv.
> memership in Germany)
> -internationalism beyond EU borders
>
> I would like to hear about your views on this suggestion.
>
> But I'm sure about one thing: Before asking party officials for
> permission (no, cross that out)...,
> On informing them that we intend to found this working group we
> should present
> -a text with our political goals, a short statute linked with the EL
> statute
> -a name of our group (both agreed on by the people signing our
> founding document)
> -a list of signatories
>
> Cheers
>
> Uli
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "pablo sanchez centellas" <superpablo3 at hotmail.com>
> > Gesendet: 03.05.09 19:51:06
> > An: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
> > Betreff: Re: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members
>
> Sorry about cross posting... This did not go to the list!
> >
> > Pablo,
> >
> > I hope my message also goes to the EL discussion list!
> >
> > In terms of the lineage of the various left 'projects' in this
> > country, the CPB (the main backer of No2EU) was never part of the
> > Socialist Alliance or Respect. Invited to join both but always
> > declined.
> >
> > The other party, the Socialist Party, was part of the Socialist
> > Alliance, but not Respect.
> >
> > I was hoping to point out that this isn't just Socialist Alliance/
> > Respect/No2EU but actually something far worse!
> >
> > My main fear is that people in Europe will see CPB and trade union
> > involvement in No2EU and therefore regard it as a positive
> development.
> > Many in Europe (such as the PRC) welcomed Respect's arrival onto the
> > scene and ignored all the negative aspects of its programme etc.
> >
> > all best,
> >
> > andrew
> >
> > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:37 PM, pablo sanchez centellas <superpablo3@
>
> > hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I meant the same millieu of people, sorry for not being clear. The
> > Socialist Alliance went into RESPECT (which I thought it was a sad
> > move) and now most of those who created it are in this coalition. (I
> > should have made this clear).
> >
> > It is clear that the only elections were the British left has a
> > change of getting something elected (as the Greens have done in the
> > past) is a missed oportunity.
> >
> > More important is the role of individual members. Is it too crazy to
> > propose an all european organisation that puts together all
> > individual members and then apply to join ELP.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Pablo
> > From: superpablo3 at hotmail.com
> > To: stephen_spence at btinternet.com; individual-members-el at listi.
> > jpberlin.de
> > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 18:00:11 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members
> >
> > Dear comrades,
> >
> > Well, the point is that the different parties that run for the
> coming
> > European elections do not even take individual members into account.
> >
> > It is a pity that there is not a website or a blog but I think that
> > the hard reality does not encourage people to work towards something
> > that you do not even know if it is going to be acknowledged.
> > The Cercle in Brussels has gone trhough a similar period, people do
> > wonder what is the point of meeting if we are a talking shop.
> > Apparently the italians are going together with the communist list
> > but I wonder how much life does Sinistra Europea does have?
> > I am very pessimistic about the future of the individual members, on
> > the other hand there have been some changes such as the depart of
> the
> > hungarian partner if the ELP had had a hungarian group of individual
> > members they could establish a base to the left of the current
> > government so there is some room for us to exist.
> >
> > Just some thoughts.
> >
> > About the No2EU campaign in the UK, i think this is the same people
> > that tried to create RESPECT, the Socialist Alliance, the old CPB
> and
> > some trade unionists that have attempted to build a left alternative
> > for the last 10 years. I fear that this will be another fiasco. The
> > ELP should debate the situation in the UK as far as the left is
> > concerned.
> >
> > I would like to see the ELP taking more seriously both the
> individual
> > members and people who are trying to build a left alternative in
> > difficult conditions. I hope that after the elections they realise
> > the need to develop a wider base of support.
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > Pablo
> >
> > From: stephen_spence at btinternet.com
> > To: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:27:56 +0100
> > Subject: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members
> >
> > Dear Comrades,
> >
> > I have not seen any discussion between individual members on this
> > list for many months.
> >
> > In the UK individual members still do not have any status within EL
> > despite asking Helmut Scholz on several occasions to ask the
> > Executive Board to grant observer status to our network. The network
> > here has now taken down its website and its blog as the lack of
> > status within EL has resulted in very little activity from the
> > members we do have. So far we have built the network up twice only
> to
> > see it dwindle again.
> >
> > The majority of the UK Left remains anti-EU as demonstrated by an
> > electoral platform No to EU, Yes to Democracy being run in the
> > European Elections by the RMT union, Communist Party of Britain and
> > the Socialist Party of England and Wales, which I certainly do not
> > support. I am not part of the anti-Europe left.
> >
> > Those of us who support EU solidarity within the Left do not have a
> > UK party and the EL appears to have little interest in us. I think
> > all of us are considering what future we have with the EL.
> >
> > In solidarity
> >
> > Stephen Spence
> > What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out
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