[Individual-members-EL] new working group
Georges SOSSOIS
george.sossois at compaqnet.be
Wed May 6 18:12:05 CEST 2009
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There is a strong need between intellectuals to have a proper left party. Yes but not only for them ! We should recruit in all the classes but not everybody
knows English enough to express their ideas.
There ought to be other linguistic channels and amongst these, esperanto. That language was used by the left before the war but forbidden by Salazar to begin with, then Hitler and Stalin. It was of course easier to learn and more efficient than any other ethnic language (it has no grammatical exception, amongst other qualities). That was an accessible tool for the working class.
If we use a multilanguage channel we'll have to face translation problems. And during congresses interpretation problems.
It would therefore cost less if all the militants were learning the interlanguage. Faster learnt, faster used and a tool with nuances.
Try the free course from your native language : http://www.kurso.com.br/bazo/index.php?fr
I am trying to introduce it in the trade unions and the social forums. It is not easy. Basis militants do agree but people at the top not very often.
When you know that many of them have acquired their high posts not because of any trade-unionist, political or technical expertise but simply because they could speak languages, there must be something wrong.
Since 1946, the US Council and foundations allied to the british Council have been paying large sums for the spreading of English.
As Margaret Thatcher said " In the 21st century, the dominant power is America, the dominant language is English and the dominant economic model
is the anglo-saxon one."
The linguistic field should not be excluded from our debates. If it is, this would open another classification within the working class.
Job announcements of the Commission or the Parliament reflect this " native speaker of English only" . Please, do think about it !
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More and more people are shocked by what is happening. But they do not know who to vote for. Left wing parties are divided.
The idea of establishing an official Bureau in each nation would make things clearer. The word "communist" still, repels them but not "The left" or the "United Left".
The fact that it has Euro MP's wouild be, I think, a very good sign where to go. In my country, the different groups of the left are not mentally able to
join in common lists. So we have not any MP in the regions or nationally. I observe that legislative powers limitate the treshold level to have at least one.
At least in France and in Belgium.
In the French speaking part, you would need at least 11.11% (9 seats) for the European Parliament, and in the Flemish part (14 s), workers tend to vote for the Far right. A far right that promise everything and its contrary.
There I agree with Jan Šlemenda . It is essential. Trade-Union leaders complain there is not enough militancy but they do not open speces for that.
Or they want to check/control it. Is a trade-union a social insurance or a social hospital ?
Would the leaders of the European Left find that they have enough militants ?
Yours
Georges
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Šlemenda
To: Ulrich Deike
Cc: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] new working group
Dear Uli,
I have proposed simillar activities between members of the EL incl. individual members 2 years ago in Gosau.
I can hardly understand, why neigboring nations do not cooperate more closely. I have difiiculties to speak German, but no problem with English, French or Russian.
As a sole member in residing in Prague I can offer official Bureau in Prague and voluntarily working for the EL.
But there is not even slightest attempt to cooperate on an international basis.
As economical downturn deepens I feel this should have been prepared already to take proper measures.
Sorry to be so sceptical, but I am still keeping my enthusiasm afloat.
I can do a lot, but lets get together and decide what could be done first.
If we need a new Pan-European party dependent on the EL or not I can establish its Bureau here and make it official legally here.
We will only need 1000 of supporters in Czech republic which is not very easy task, but realistic perspective for a year of the very hard work to be done to do so.
There is a strong need between intellectuals to have a proper left party, which is missing here. Let us fill this vacancy!
yours
Jan
2009/5/3 Ulrich Deike <udeike at web.de>
Dear friends,
how about forming an EL working group "European Party" uniting individual members of
the EL that are not members of one of its member or observer parties and therefore define
themselves as a transnational group of members.
We would have to agree on our major goals (in line with the manifesto and statute of the EL)
and elect a board and spokesperson via email.
The big advantage: working groups are a well-established transnational structure of the EL,
no conflicts with statute etc. And I reckon we would also be entitled to have a budget and a link
on the EL homepage.
One of our goals should definitely be to foster the Europeanization of existing national parties,
in our case especially of the EL.
Even though all of us recognize that, at the moment, most member parties in the EL don't like
this, such an opinion surely wouldn't violate the principles of a European party such as the EL.
Other possible goals of this working group:
-strengthening ties between EL-members inside and outside our group (local partnership across borders,...)
-political activities like the ones carried out by the Brussels group of indiv. members during the past years
-EL membership campaigns esp. in countries with no EL member party (some of you may of heard
of the flyer that Mike NAgler and I created 3 years ago for indiv. memership in Germany)
-internationalism beyond EU borders
I would like to hear about your views on this suggestion.
But I'm sure about one thing: Before asking party officials for permission (no, cross that out)...,
On informing them that we intend to found this working group we should present
-a text with our political goals, a short statute linked with the EL statute
-a name of our group (both agreed on by the people signing our founding document)
-a list of signatories
Cheers
Uli
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "pablo sanchez centellas" <superpablo3 at hotmail.com>
> Gesendet: 03.05.09 19:51:06
> An: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
> Betreff: Re: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members
Sorry about cross posting... This did not go to the list!
>
> Pablo,
>
> I hope my message also goes to the EL discussion list!
>
> In terms of the lineage of the various left 'projects' in this
> country, the CPB (the main backer of No2EU) was never part of the
> Socialist Alliance or Respect. Invited to join both but always
> declined.
>
> The other party, the Socialist Party, was part of the Socialist
> Alliance, but not Respect.
>
> I was hoping to point out that this isn't just Socialist Alliance/
> Respect/No2EU but actually something far worse!
>
> My main fear is that people in Europe will see CPB and trade union
> involvement in No2EU and therefore regard it as a positive development.
> Many in Europe (such as the PRC) welcomed Respect's arrival onto the
> scene and ignored all the negative aspects of its programme etc.
>
> all best,
>
> andrew
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:37 PM, pablo sanchez centellas <superpablo3@
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I meant the same millieu of people, sorry for not being clear. The
> Socialist Alliance went into RESPECT (which I thought it was a sad
> move) and now most of those who created it are in this coalition. (I
> should have made this clear).
>
> It is clear that the only elections were the British left has a
> change of getting something elected (as the Greens have done in the
> past) is a missed oportunity.
>
> More important is the role of individual members. Is it too crazy to
> propose an all european organisation that puts together all
> individual members and then apply to join ELP.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Pablo
> From: superpablo3 at hotmail.com
> To: stephen_spence at btinternet.com; individual-members-el at listi.
> jpberlin.de
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 18:00:11 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members
>
> Dear comrades,
>
> Well, the point is that the different parties that run for the coming
> European elections do not even take individual members into account.
>
> It is a pity that there is not a website or a blog but I think that
> the hard reality does not encourage people to work towards something
> that you do not even know if it is going to be acknowledged.
> The Cercle in Brussels has gone trhough a similar period, people do
> wonder what is the point of meeting if we are a talking shop.
> Apparently the italians are going together with the communist list
> but I wonder how much life does Sinistra Europea does have?
> I am very pessimistic about the future of the individual members, on
> the other hand there have been some changes such as the depart of the
> hungarian partner if the ELP had had a hungarian group of individual
> members they could establish a base to the left of the current
> government so there is some room for us to exist.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> About the No2EU campaign in the UK, i think this is the same people
> that tried to create RESPECT, the Socialist Alliance, the old CPB and
> some trade unionists that have attempted to build a left alternative
> for the last 10 years. I fear that this will be another fiasco. The
> ELP should debate the situation in the UK as far as the left is
> concerned.
>
> I would like to see the ELP taking more seriously both the individual
> members and people who are trying to build a left alternative in
> difficult conditions. I hope that after the elections they realise
> the need to develop a wider base of support.
>
> Yours
>
> Pablo
>
> From: stephen_spence at btinternet.com
> To: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:27:56 +0100
> Subject: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members
>
> Dear Comrades,
>
> I have not seen any discussion between individual members on this
> list for many months.
>
> In the UK individual members still do not have any status within EL
> despite asking Helmut Scholz on several occasions to ask the
> Executive Board to grant observer status to our network. The network
> here has now taken down its website and its blog as the lack of
> status within EL has resulted in very little activity from the
> members we do have. So far we have built the network up twice only to
> see it dwindle again.
>
> The majority of the UK Left remains anti-EU as demonstrated by an
> electoral platform No to EU, Yes to Democracy being run in the
> European Elections by the RMT union, Communist Party of Britain and
> the Socialist Party of England and Wales, which I certainly do not
> support. I am not part of the anti-Europe left.
>
> Those of us who support EU solidarity within the Left do not have a
> UK party and the EL appears to have little interest in us. I think
> all of us are considering what future we have with the EL.
>
> In solidarity
>
> Stephen Spence
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