[Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members

Sun May 3 19:50:54 CEST 2009

 Sorry about cross posting... This did not go to the list!

Pablo,

I hope my message also goes to the EL discussion list!

In terms of the lineage of the various left 'projects' in this country, the CPB (the main backer of No2EU) was never part of the Socialist Alliance or Respect.  Invited to join both but always declined.

The other party, the Socialist Party, was part of the Socialist Alliance, but not Respect.

I was hoping to point out that this isn't just Socialist Alliance/Respect/No2EU but actually something far worse!

My main fear is that people in Europe will see CPB and trade union involvement in No2EU and therefore regard it as a positive development.  Many in Europe (such as the PRC) welcomed Respect's arrival onto the scene and ignored all the negative aspects of its programme etc.

all best,

andrew

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:37 PM, pablo sanchez centellas <superpablo3 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I meant the same millieu of people, sorry for not being clear. The Socialist Alliance went into RESPECT (which I thought it was a sad move) and now most of those who created it are in this coalition. (I should have made this clear).

It is clear that the only elections were the British left has a change of getting something elected (as the Greens have done in the past) is a missed oportunity.

More important is the role of individual members. Is it too crazy to propose an all european organisation that puts together all individual members and then apply to join ELP.

Just a thought.

Pablo

From: superpablo3 at hotmail.com
To: stephen_spence at btinternet.com; individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 18:00:11 +0000
Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members

Dear comrades,

Well, the point is that the different parties that run for the coming European elections do not even take individual members into account.

It is a pity that there is not a website or a blog but I think that the hard reality does not encourage people to work towards something that you do not even know if it is going to be acknowledged.
The Cercle in Brussels has gone trhough a similar period, people do wonder what is the point of meeting if we are a talking shop.
Apparently the italians are going together with the communist list but I wonder how much life does Sinistra Europea does have?
I am very pessimistic about the future of the individual members, on the other hand there have been some changes such as the depart of the hungarian partner if the ELP had had a hungarian group of individual members they could establish a base to the left of the current government so there is some room for us to exist.

Just some thoughts.

About the No2EU campaign in the UK, i think this is the same people that tried to create RESPECT, the Socialist Alliance, the old CPB and some trade unionists that have attempted to build a left alternative for the last 10 years. I fear that this will be another fiasco. The ELP should debate the situation in the UK as far as the left is concerned.

I would like to see the ELP taking more seriously both the individual members and people who are trying to build a left alternative in difficult conditions. I hope that after the elections they realise the need to develop a wider base of support.

Yours

Pablo

From: stephen_spence at btinternet.com
To: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:27:56 +0100
Subject: [Individual-members-EL] EL Individual Members

Dear Comrades,

I have not seen any discussion between individual members on this list for many months.

In the UK individual members still do not have any status within EL despite asking Helmut Scholz on several occasions to ask the Executive Board to grant observer status to our network.  The network here has now taken down its website and its blog as the lack of status within EL has resulted in very little activity from the members we do have.  So far we have built the network up twice only to see it dwindle again.

The majority of the UK Left remains anti-EU as demonstrated by an electoral platform ‘No to EU, Yes to Democracy’ being run in the European Elections by the RMT union, Communist Party of Britain and the Socialist Party of England and Wales, which I certainly do not support.  I am not part of the anti-Europe left.

Those of us who support EU solidarity within the Left do not have a UK party and the EL appears to have little interest in us.  I think all of us are considering what future we have with the EL.

In solidarity

Stephen Spence

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