[Individual-members-EL] EL

[Mike Nagler]

Yes the "observer-status" of "sinistra europea" as a "national organisation" is a step i dont find useful cause its now only like one more national italian party. So the way the italians go is a step backwards if we focus at an united european party. At the other hand the italian "indiv. members" so have two seats at the board. So they can use them to bring on the interests of the individuals - for example to change the statute.
So Sigfrido, what is the strategy of the italians?

Best wishes,

Mike



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sigfrido ramirez 
  To: 'Steve Spence' ; individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de 
  Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] EL


  Dear All,



  I was in the first meeting of the EL Secretariat in Brussels, also around 2002.



  For six years I have also worked to build a network of individual members in Brussels. 



  I understand all frustrations which all we share. But let me tell you that the responsible for this is not the office (the administration) but the Bureau. I agree with Stephen point about Helmut Scholtz. But he and the Bureau has to be sensible about the fact that people like us can start quitting the EL if this keeps in this way. This has already happened in our circle with people of great militant quality. 



  Maybe the expectation of the European Elections can start making things moving quickly to present EL lists all over Europe. But this is the problem of a party working with unanimity rules and not majority. These are contradictions which takes time to be solved. 



  Indeed, everybody could talk with everybody but not in the "absence of structure", because there seems to be some structures already.



  But let me be clear about one political fact. The only collective of individual members with representation is Sinistra Europea in Italy, which is about 90% or more of all individual members. They are already accepted as observers and have their structures. Therefore, the decision to be organised in national chapters is already taken. Steven has already requested the same on behalf of the other individual members. We are thinking about doing the same in Brussels.



   Therefore the structures, even if thin exist. Now the question at stake is whether these chapters could become full members. So, in my view this is the heart of the matter. And not the office's people in Brussels.



  If you wish info about our activities you can check this web page. http://users.coditel.net/eberlinguerprc/sinistraeuropea.html 



  Of course, if you are coming to Brussels, let us know.



  Best wishes,



  S



  I have to write also a kind a report, in English and maybe also in French for the new web page we are preparing to launch from the Circle in Brussels.



  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: individual-members-el-bounces at listi.jpberlin.de [mailto:individual-members-el-bounces at listi.jpberlin.de] En nombre de Steve Spence
  Enviado el: jueves, 07 de febrero de 2008 20:38
  Para: individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de
  Asunto: [Individual-members-EL] EL



  Dear All,



  I went to the Founding Congress of EL in 2002.  



  For six years I've slowly worked to build a network of individual members.  I was born in Northern Ireland, lived many years of my life in Australia, and for the last six years I have lived in England. I'm an internationalist not just in theory but in practice



  It has been very difficult to build individual membership in England.  It took two years to get a membership form.  We still cannot pay money by bank transfer from pounds to euro.  The party organisationally has been unable to fix this.  These are some of the frustrations Uli has.  The Brussels office have responsiblity for individual members and they do their best, but that is not their only purpose and the party does not put time and energy into building individual membership.



  In Prague in Novemebr at the second congress some individual members got to speak for the first time.  It was agreed with Helmut Scholz that the EB would discuss individual membership representation on the EB in January.  I have heard nothing.  Helmut Scholz is a good man.  He is just busy with national party things.



  Again these are some of Uli's frustrations.  The party has individual members but in reality the national parties are the bodies with the rights.  We have few.  



  On the question of authority.  We are individual members.  We each have our own authority.  Let a thousand flowers bloom I say.  I would like some coleective structure, that's why I've worked to build an English network, but the party does not consider the question seriously.  I've asked for European Left England to be given observor status but I've heard nothing.



  In the absence of structure I think Uli is quite right to talk to Helmut Scholz or anyone else about anything he wants.  We all are.



  This discussion is the liveliest for a while.  normally this list is dead for months.  Well done Uli , for stirring things up!  



  Bestest



  Stephen



  ps i hope to write my english report this weekend, last was wiped out.



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