[Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute

[Stephen Spence]

Dear All,

Been away.  didn't get the chance to look at Uli's stuff until recently.  I
agree with the remarks that say all but the first amendment are o.k.  In
Britain there appear to be formally two of us who have signed up to an EL
association with some others interested.  I'm trying to formalise a third
comrade who will bring a website probably called 'Left -GB members of
European Left' and we're identifying other groups we can talk to about EL
but it is all small beer so far and we can only move as quickly as two
people can and that's slowly.

I don't advertise my association with EL outside the Party because of my
trade union work so eventually we will need someone who can be a public face
for a GB network of individual members but all that is someway down the
track.  Getting an application form and a way of paying money from outside
the euro zone took two years, hopefully the next stage of development won't
take so long.

For the moment GB individual members being networked into a European wide
network of individual members is important. If the number of GB individual
members grows and a GB netwrok emerges in its own right then we can engage
with the European network on a network to network basis but for the moment
as individuals who are part of a European network is the only way to connect
more broadly.

Best wishes

Stephen

----- Original Message -----
From: joseph dureuil <upsetvoice at hotmail.com>
To: <francis at socialisthistorysociety.co.uk>; <udeike at web.de>;
<individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute


Hi all,

I agree with Francis about the suggested amendments: the amendment to
article 6/2 could limit rights for individual members and the significance
of the party. I think it is necessary to let individual members remain
members of other parties, also unaffiliated to EL. Anyway I think that
somebody who becomes a member of EL does not work against the interests of
the EL.

The other amendments are quite fine. Besides I think that these amendments
would be more going in direction of building a real European party by
letting individual members of whole UE, also unaffiliated to any party or
affiliated to party unaffiliated to EL, express themself outside national
parties. Anyway I know the difficulty to let european citizens know the EL
and be a member of it. We certainly need national parties to recruit members
and to cooperate but I am convinced that building a delegation of one
international structure is the most european solution. I don't know any
figures of individual members but we have to know.

That's why I totally support these amendments but disagree with the
amendment to article 6/2.

Greetings

Joseph Dureuil

P.s: Francis, in my case I am affiliated to no party in France, I only
belong to EL


>From: "Francis King" <francis at socialisthistorysociety.co.uk>
>To: "Ulrich Deike"
><udeike at web.de>,<individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
>Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:04:18 +0100
>
>Hi all
>
>Uli is quiet right that if EL intends to make individual membership a
>permanent part of the EL structure, then there needs to be representation
>for individual members at EL congresses and on relevant committees.
>However,
>I think that the first suggested amendment, to article 6/2, is unnecessary.
>The existing article 6/2 grants more rights to individual members than the
>amended version proposed by Uli, and I doubt that it would be workable
>anyway - there are so many small left-wing groups af all types in all the
>EU
>states. They fuse and split all the time. Some are much to small to
>consider
>affiliating to EL. So, as long as individual EL members are not working
>against the interests and positions of EL, their local affiliations should
>not matter.
>
>I don't have any problem with the other suggestions, which seem fine. But I
>wonder - why do people want to become EL individual members? For me in
>Britain, the answer is easy - the "communist parties" here are tiny,
>insular, dogmatic and backward-looking, the Labour Party allows itself to
>be
>led by Blair and is therefore beneath contempt, and the most active groups
>on the left here are Trotskyists - dogmatic, sectarian and intolerant of
>dissent. There is nothing worth joining in this country. But in countries
>with EL affiliates, are individual people joining EL in addition to
>belonging to the PCF, PRC, PDS etc., or are they joining it instead of
>belonging to those parties? It would be interesting to know.
>
>All the best
>
>Francis King
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ulrich Deike" <udeike at web.de>
>To: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>
>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:55 PM
>Subject: [Individual-members-EL] changes to the statute
>
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>as you know we also have to fight for our own rights if we want to help
>others. I have attached my suggestion
>for changes to the EL-statute guaranteeing representation of all - also
>individual - members in the Congress
>(on the penultimate page of the document). I'm waiting for comments/other
>suggestions. I think it's necessary to discuss this
>first so that most of us indiv. members eventually support the version that
>we'll pass on to the Executive Board
>by the end of September. I'd be grateful if anyone had up-to-date figures
>of
>party members to give us an idea of the
>composition of the upcoming Congress.
>
>take care
>
>Uli
>
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