[Individual-members-EL] [ELmembers] Re: Elections on yahoo group

Wed Oct 4 12:12:54 CEST 2006

                 Dear Mike, dear comrades,

I think I could translate into french the flyers, so please send me one 
version of it.

I don't know any other french individual members, anyway if you or the 
others know some french members, they should send me their email adresses, 
it could be useful.

I hope your meeting in Germany will be a success, you have all my support 
for it.

Best regards

Joseph

>From: "Mike Nagler" <mnel at gmx.net>
>To: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>,<ELmembers at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] [ELmembers] Re: Elections on yahoo 
>group
>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:36:39 +0200
>
>Hello Joseph, hello friends,
>
>100 percent with you and your ideas of europe.
>That flyer i finish this week and i sended already an version of it to
>Francis in GB. If you like i send it to you... perhaps you can translate it
>in french and we spread it also there. If i have the translations in
>different languages i can easily build a flyer for each country. You are
>right when you say that flyer is 1 thing but its not enough. In germany we
>want also to organise some discussion events on the future of europe and 
>the
>EL. Specialy at universities. The problem we have here and i think also in
>other countries is that the german individual members dont know each other.
>(at the moment its only lena and uli i know) But we know that there are
>30-40 indiv. members in germany. It think thats also a problem in other
>countries. Thats why in end of october there is a first meeting of all
>indiv. members in germany. I hope from there on we will be more effective.
>We need that connections also in other countries - i think you are not the
>only individuell member in france.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Mike
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "joseph dureuil" <upsetvoice at hotmail.com>
>To: <mike.nagler at yahoo.co.uk>; <udeike at web.de>
>Cc: <individual-members-el at listi.jpberlin.de>; <ELmembers at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Individual-members-EL] [ELmembers] Re: Elections on yahoo
>group
>
>
>                         Dear Comrades,
>
>I understand well that the priority for us is to bring new individual
>members to EL. That's why I think that we shouldn't discuss too long time
>about the practical organization of internet elections for representants.
>Anyway I think as Jose that one or the other method has its own advantages
>and difficulties but that one or the other could work.
>
>It could be more useful to discuss now about the different means we have to
>convince new people to join the party. Of course, our flyers are already a
>good thing but I think that giving papers about some individual paths to
>join the party is not enough. I think we should also explain what the EL
>could bring, what the EL proposes. Therefore I think that the priority now
>is to discuss about the convincing methods we could use to get new
>individual members, to discuss about what of the propositons of the party 
>we
>should insist upon to attract new members. I just wrote some ideas, what do
>you think about?
>
>We should perhaps insist on the european aspect of the party explaining 
>that
>the EL wants something different that exists for the moment in EU: not an 
>EU
>of free trade and free circulation of capital but an EU of the european
>people. It would mean changing the way of constructing the EU: construction
>of a Social European Union (with European Minimal Wage, with European 
>Public
>Services, with European Social Security- health system, pension system- and
>protective european working standards) . I know that in a way it exists
>already on national level but we have to consider different things: it
>disappears little by little in the context of European policies because of
>the pressure of Maastricht criterions and some principles of the treaties
>(also we have to think that in some of the 10 new countries members of the
>EU, the social protection is really little). And because EU is getting more
>and more importance in policies in the different EU countries it has to
>change on European level. I know that it also means to build a significant
>european budget, what is to say that we need to create european taxes and 
>to
>give more political power to the European Parliament.
>
>Anyway, we should find a way to explain all this on a much more concrete
>way, so that the people could see what would change in their dayly life if
>they join the party or vote for the party, also we have to insist on the
>fact that every citizen of EU would have a real political choice if we
>success in developping an European Party (because the only policies 
>changing
>are possible on EU level). That's why I disagree with the mind of the 
>French
>Communist Party Ulrich spoke about: I think we should translate, print and
>distribute the flyers and trying to convince people to enter the party also
>in France... Anyway now the influence of the French Communist Party has
>become too little and that's why its fear of being competeted by the EL is
>unjusified, on the contrary speaking about the EL and its projects could be
>useful for the French party to insist on the fact that its mind is also
>shared on European level.
>
>Greetings,
>
>            Joseph
>
> >From: "mike.nagler" <mike.nagler at yahoo.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: ELmembers at yahoogroups.com
> >To: ELmembers at yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [ELmembers] Re: Elections on yahoo group
> >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:21:15 -0000
> >
> >Hi Joseph,
> >
> >i think we will not be able to use the yahoo group for voting. You see
> >its very complicated to get people in here. So we can use it as
> >plattform for communication but i dont realy see a chance to do a
> >election of a broadly group. I have no actual member statistic, but
> >individual members should be at the moment some more then 600. We will
> >not be able to get them all in here. We should definetly try to get
> >some of us as guestspeakers to the next EL congress. That we can
> >discuss over the lists. I see the most important job we have to do at
> >the moment is to advertise individuell membership of the EL. We need
> >more individuell members in all countries. Otherwise we will not be
> >strong enough to start a wide discussion in the EL and its member
> >parties about something like a european socialstate. At the moment our
> >group is to small for that.
> >By the way, i finish this week that flyer we will print next week and
> >mete out in germany. (run of 20.000 copies) That flyer we also could
> >use for advertise the indiv. membership in other countries. We just
> >need to translate it and find someone to finance. (but that should be
> >supported by the office in brussels)
> >
> >Greetings
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >--- In ELmembers at yahoogroups.com, "josephdureuil" <upsetvoice at ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >               Hi all,
> > >
> > > I joined this group because it could make easier the election
> >process of
> > > representants. Anyway, I thought on one difficulty: if everyone who
> > > wants can join the group, it also means that other people than
> > > individual members could take part in the poll. If we organize the
> > > election of representants basing on the poll system, it could be a
> > > problem if other people than indivual members take part. It is only a
> > > theoretical problem, but I want to ask you for solutions in case this
> > > problem occurs. (Could we on yahoo group limit the people who take
> > > part in a poll?)
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Joseph Dureuil
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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