[Individual-members-EL] [ELmembers] Re: Elections on yahoo group

[joseph dureuil]

                        Dear Comrades,

I understand well that the priority for us is to bring new individual 
members to EL. That's why I think that we shouldn't discuss too long time 
about the practical organization of internet elections for representants. 
Anyway I think as Jose that one or the other method has its own advantages 
and difficulties but that one or the other could work.

It could be more useful to discuss now about the different means we have to 
convince new people to join the party. Of course, our flyers are already a 
good thing but I think that giving papers about some individual paths to 
join the party is not enough. I think we should also explain what the EL 
could bring, what the EL proposes. Therefore I think that the priority now 
is to discuss about the convincing methods we could use to get new 
individual members, to discuss about what of the propositons of the party we 
should insist upon to attract new members. I just wrote some ideas, what do 
you think about?

We should perhaps insist on the european aspect of the party explaining that 
the EL wants something different that exists for the moment in EU: not an EU 
of free trade and free circulation of capital but an EU of the european 
people. It would mean changing the way of constructing the EU: construction 
of a Social European Union (with European Minimal Wage, with European Public 
Services, with European Social Security- health system, pension system- and 
protective european working standards) . I know that in a way it exists 
already on national level but we have to consider different things: it 
disappears little by little in the context of European policies because of 
the pressure of Maastricht criterions and some principles of the treaties 
(also we have to think that in some of the 10 new countries members of the 
EU, the social protection is really little). And because EU is getting more 
and more importance in policies in the different EU countries it has to 
change on European level. I know that it also means to build a significant 
european budget, what is to say that we need to create european taxes and to 
give more political power to the European Parliament.

Anyway, we should find a way to explain all this on a much more concrete 
way, so that the people could see what would change in their dayly life if 
they join the party or vote for the party, also we have to insist on the 
fact that every citizen of EU would have a real political choice if we 
success in developping an European Party (because the only policies changing 
are possible on EU level). That's why I disagree with the mind of the French 
Communist Party Ulrich spoke about: I think we should translate, print and 
distribute the flyers and trying to convince people to enter the party also 
in France... Anyway now the influence of the French Communist Party has 
become too little and that's why its fear of being competeted by the EL is 
unjusified, on the contrary speaking about the EL and its projects could be 
useful for the French party to insist on the fact that its mind is also 
shared on European level.

Greetings,

           Joseph

>From: "mike.nagler" <mike.nagler at yahoo.co.uk>
>Reply-To: ELmembers at yahoogroups.com
>To: ELmembers at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ELmembers] Re: Elections on yahoo group
>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:21:15 -0000
>
>Hi Joseph,
>
>i think we will not be able to use the yahoo group for voting. You see
>its very complicated to get people in here. So we can use it as
>plattform for communication but i dont realy see a chance to do a
>election of a broadly group. I have no actual member statistic, but
>individual members should be at the moment some more then 600. We will
>not be able to get them all in here. We should definetly try to get
>some of us as guestspeakers to the next EL congress. That we can
>discuss over the lists. I see the most important job we have to do at
>the moment is to advertise individuell membership of the EL. We need
>more individuell members in all countries. Otherwise we will not be
>strong enough to start a wide discussion in the EL and its member
>parties about something like a european socialstate. At the moment our
>group is to small for that.
>By the way, i finish this week that flyer we will print next week and
>mete out in germany. (run of 20.000 copies) That flyer we also could
>use for advertise the indiv. membership in other countries. We just
>need to translate it and find someone to finance. (but that should be
>supported by the office in brussels)
>
>Greetings
>
>Mike
>
>
>--- In ELmembers at yahoogroups.com, "josephdureuil" <upsetvoice at ...> wrote:
> >
> >               Hi all,
> >
> > I joined this group because it could make easier the election
>process of
> > representants. Anyway, I thought on one difficulty: if everyone who
> > wants can join the group, it also means that other people than
> > individual members could take part in the poll. If we organize the
> > election of representants basing on the poll system, it could be a
> > problem if other people than indivual members take part. It is only a
> > theoretical problem, but I want to ask you for solutions in case this
> > problem occurs. (Could we on yahoo group limit the people who take
> > part in a poll?)
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Joseph Dureuil
> >
>
>
>
>

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