[fyeg_gen-l] Join the protest against the Iraq war on the 15th ofFebruary 2003

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Mon Feb 17 19:55:35 CET 2003


You obviously had a very different experience from us in Hyde Park where 
the feeling was more of humanity coming together a United Nations of 
ordinary people (Jews against Zionism, Archaeologists Against War and 
Grannies too, showing the range of people involved). I personally saw many 
national flags (Welsh, Irish, English, Scottish, but also Brazilian, Swedish, 
Palestinian, Iraqi, Lebanese) although I saw no Union Flags (UK) and no 
Stars and Stripes (USA). Elsewhere Basque flags (seen at the gathering of 
the clans in Glasgow) and other nations who we share a grouping with in 
Europe under the Banner of the European Free Alliance were no doubt 
fluttering.

As for who was on the march, I talked with Iraqis, Afghanis, Italians, 
Pakistanis, French, Welsh, Irish, but no English :-) and it was all summed 
up by the placard carried before a samba band - no borders, no nations no 
problems. Admittedly 1 in 20 inhabitants in London is an asylum seeker or 
a refugee and many many more would be unable to trace a pedigree of 
London origins back to exclusively Grandparents, but nevertheless there 
was a comminality which we all shared despite recognizing our national 
variety. We are peoples, but not nationalistic nations. This was parralleled 
by our speakers, whereby those from Asia, Africa, Europe, North America  
and Latin America spoke.

And what did we call for in common? Stop the War.

Marcus Petz

Am 17 Feb 2003 um 0:01 hat Alexandra Supper geschrieben:

> Hmmm, so how was it?
> 
> Not too great around here, so I thought I'd do a quick translation of the
> statement that we put up on our website today. Maybe some of you find this
> interesting...
> 
> Alex (gaj wien, austria)
> 
> bad translation:
> A new peace movement?
> 
> The very first impression of yesterday's demonstration: a German flag.
> Second impression: an accumulation of Palestinian and Iraqi flags. Then the
> speeches start. Anti-american phrases, moral indignation, rhetorical
> elevation of the "new peace movement"; but no political analyses. Instead, a
> strong dash of conspiracy theory (Israel -> USA -> oil -> world domination).
> Not quite uncontradicted, but certainly dominating is a view that makes the
> enemies of our enemy (the USA) our friends. For example, the Green city
> councillor Susanne Jerusalem said that while "Saddam Hussein is an evil
> dictator", the bigger threat for "world peace" was currently Bush.
> 
> With all legitimate criticism of the US-policies - an equation of Saddam
> Hussein and George Bush is completely unfounded. It generally doesn't make
> much sense to make a ranking of the biggest "villains". Also, we wonder
> where that often mentioned "world peace", which is apparently threatened
> right now, exists. Maybe we should have asked the "Initiative Heim und
> Umwelt" ("initiative home and environment"), who were at the demonstration
> with a banner but are usually mostly busy with völkisch-nationalistic
> lobbying against the EU. So right wing extremists were able to join the
> protests without disruptions. Not much of a surprise really, seeing as
> another block of the demo clearly positioned itself in the corner of
> defenders of suicide bombings by screaming the slogan "Intifada!" (also
> without disruptions). Criticisms of the various national flags by the
> organisators and speakers couldn't be heard either, even though, according
> to the rules of the demonstration, "national flags of existing states" were
> not welcome. A rule that says quite a bit about the demonstration - it
> doesn't really make sense to us that only successful nationalisms shouldn't
> be present...
> 
> To avoid any misunderstandings: We are against a war on Iraq. We also
> supported this demonstration and we share its basic ideas. But we also have
> to say that we misjudged the demonstration. We certainly do NOT stand for
> the same things as those who served dumb anti-americanism and antisemitism
> yesterday, and who were the loudest and most visible with this. If we had
> known this, we would not have supported the demo. Still, we're glad that so
> many people were there and hope that many of them understand and agree with
> our criticism.
> 
> 
> 
> German original: (from www.gajwien.at)
> Eine neue Friedensbewegung?
> Allererster Eindruck auf der gestrigen Demo: eine deutsche Fahne. Zweiter
> Eindruck: eine Ansammlung von palästinensischen und irakischen Fahnen. Dann
> beginnen die Redebeiträge. Antiamerikanische Phrasen, moralische Entrüstung,
> rhetorische Erhöhung der "neuen Friedensbewegung"; aber keine politischen
> Analysen. Dafür eine kräftige Prise Verschwörungstheorie (Israel -> USA ->
> Öl -> Weltherrschaft). Nicht ganz unwidersprochen, aber eindeutig
> dominierend eine Sichtweise, die die Feinde unseres Feindes (der USA) zu
> unseren Freunden macht. "Saddam Hussein ist ein böser Diktator", aber die
> größere Gefahr für den "Weltfrieden" sei im Moment Bush, meinte etwa die
> grüne Gemeinderätin Susanne Jerusalem.
> 
> Bei aller berechtigten Kritik an der US-Politik - eine Gleichsetzung von
> Saddam Hussein und George Bush entbehrt jeder Grundlage. Es macht überhaupt
> wenig Sinn, ein Ranking der größten "Schurken" zu erstellen. Auch fragen wir
> uns, wo es den vielbesagten "Weltfrieden" gibt, der gerade in Gefahr ist.
> Vielleicht hätten wir die "Initiative Heimat und Umwelt" fragen sollen, die
> mit Transparent auf der Demo vertreten war, sich ansonsten allerdings eher
> mit völkischem Lobbying gegen die EU beschäftigt. RechtsextremistInnen
> konnten also ungestört mitdemonstrieren. Sehr verwundern kann das nicht
> mehr, wenn ein anderer Demoblock sich - ebenso ungestört - durch die Parole
> "Intifada!" eindeutig im Eck der VerteidigerInnen von Selbstmordattentaten
> positionierte. Kritik an den diversen Nationalfahnen war von Seiten der
> OrganisatorInnen und RednerInnen auch keine zu hören, obwohl laut
> Demorichtlinien "nationalstaatliche Fahnen existierender Staaten"
> unerwünscht waren. Eine Regelung, die an sich schon viel über die Demo
> aussagt - uns leuchtet nicht ganz ein, warum nur erfolgreiche Nationalismen
> nicht vertreten sein dürfen...
> 
> Um keine Missverständnisse aufkommen zu lassen: wir sind gegen einen Krieg
> gegen den Irak. Wir haben diese Demonstration mitunterstützt und wir stehen
> zu ihrem prinzipiellen Anliegen. Wir müssen aber auch sagen, dass wir die
> Demonstration falsch einschätzten. Wir treten definitiv NICHT für das
> Gleiche ein wie Leute, die gestern dumpfen Antiamerikanismus- und
> Antisemitismus bedient haben, und damit die Lautesten und Sichtbarsten
> waren. Hätten wir das gewusst, hätten wir die Demo nicht unterstützt.
> Totzdem freuen wir uns, dass so viele Menschen da waren und hoffen mal das
> viele unsere Kritik verstehen und das so ähnlich sehen.
> 
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