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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Hallo Baukje, Hallo Ursula,</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">auch ich halte den vorgeschlagenen Ergänzungs-Satz, die Def. eines BGE
betreffend für zu unscharf.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Mein Satz würde lauten:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">"Parlamentarisch gesondert zuerkannte Abfederungsleistungen angesichts
besonderer Beschwernisse bleiben vom Recht auf ein BGE unberührt."</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>Mir schwebt</b></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"> </span></font>
<font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b><u>eine grundgesetzlich verankerte Drittelung</u></b></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2">
<span style=" font-size:10pt"> </span></font><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>dessen vor,
was eine/die deutsche Volkswirtschaft jährlich verrechenbar als sog.
BIP erwirtschaftet:</b></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><u>1/3 für ein bedingungsloses Grundeinkommen</u></span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:12pt">- (mit diesem schwankend) - als festen Grundanteil am jeweils
Erwirtschafteten; </span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:12pt">- von Geburt bis Tod - : - belegt mit festen
Vollkasko-Gesundheits-& Pflegevorsorge-Anteilen, nei Kindern
zusätzlich mit Ausbildungs-Vorsorge-Anteilen;</span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:12pt">- zuzuweisen allen (mehr als z.B. 2 Jahre ansässigen)
Wohnbürger/innen gleich welchen Alters (für die Dauer ihrer
Wohnbürgerschaft - im Alter lebenslang auch ins Ausland bei
mindestens 40 (?)jähriger Wohnbürgerschaft) </span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:12pt">(</span></font><font face="Arial" color="#007f00" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><b>vgl:
http://buergerbeteiligung-neu-etablieren.de/LBK/mat/denkbares%20BGE_MANIFEST.html)</b></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><u>1/3 für Gemeinschaftsaufgaben als Staatshaushalt</u></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><u>1/3 als Erwerbsarbeits- & Vermögens-Einkünfte</u></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>Das steuerliche Drittel umfasste:</b></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">- den Betrieb des staatl. Sektors (Parlament, Regierung, Verwaltung, Justiz,
Strafvollzug, Infrastruktur, Sozialwohnungen, Bildungs- &
Forschungs-einrichtungen, Kranken- & Pflegeeinrichtungen, Plattformen,
Gutschein-Systeme im gesamten Kultur-Bereich, Polizei, Verteidigung (...?))</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">- </span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"> </span></font>
<font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><u>parlamentarisch gesondert zuerkannte Abfederungsleistungen im Kontext
besonderer Beschwernisse</u></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><i>Mein Definitions-Ergänzungs-Satz würde (ganz gleich in welcher
BGE-Konstruktion) lauten:</i></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b><u>"Parlamentarisch gesondert zuerkannte Abfederungsleistungen
angesichts besonderer Beschwernisse bleiben vom Recht auf ein BGE
unberührt."</u></b></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Beste Grüße</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Gabriele</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">Gabriele Weis</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><i>An:</i></span><span style=" font-size:10pt"> debatte-grundeinkommen@listen.grundeinkommen.de</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><i>Datum:</i></span><span style=" font-size:10pt"> Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:54:07 +0100</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><i>Betreff:</i></span><span style=" font-size:10pt"> Re: [Debatte-Grundeinkommen] Erweiterung der Definition</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><i>Von:</i></span><span style=" font-size:10pt"> Ursula Walther via Debatte-Grundeinkommen</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><i>Antwort an:</i></span><span style=" font-size:10pt"> elternbayern@gmx.de</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#1d2129"><span style=" font-size:11pt">Hallo Baukje,<br />
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“Sozialleistungen, die über das Grundeinkommen hinaus gehen, bleiben erhalten”.<br />
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Den Satz verstehe ich nicht. Was bedeutet "über das Grundeinkommen
hinausgehen"?<br />
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Viele Grüße<br />
Ursula<br />
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">Am 09.12.2018 um 15:40 schrieb Reimund Acker via Debatte-Grundeinkommen:</span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:11pt">[Wegen einer technischen Störung haben einige Listenmitglieder die u. g. Mail
nicht erhalten. Daher hier noch einmal. -RA, Listenadmin]</span></font></p>
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<span style=" font-size:11pt">Liebe Debatten-Liste,</span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:11pt">In der Definition des Bedingungslosen Grundeinkommens fehlt meines
Erachtens ein wichtiger Zusatz: “Sozialleistungen, die über das
Grundeinkommen hinaus gehen, bleiben erhalten”. Ich habe in der gesamten
Grundeinkommensdebatte noch keinen getroffen, der ernsthaft in Frage stellt,
dass solche bedarfsabhängigen Leistungen weiterhin vom Staat übernommen
werden. Deswegen plädiere ich dafür, der Definition des Grundeinkommens
einen entsprechenden Passus hinzuzufügen. Das würde Befürchtungen
klären und wahrscheinlich fast niemanden der Befürwortenden ernsthaft
vertreiben. Und selbst wenn, dann zurecht.</span></font></p>
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<font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span style=" font-size:11pt"><u>https://blog.baukje.de/individuelle-mehrbedarfe/</u></span></font></a></p>
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<span style=" font-size:11pt">Ich bitte um eine Meinungen bezüglich eines entsprechendes Antrags an die
Mitgliederversammlung im Februar.</span></font></div>
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<span style=" font-size:11pt">Viele Grüße</span></font></p>
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